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Today's Developments: What I Think We Know

Today, the plot thickened as 810 WHB in Kansas City reported that the Big 10 had made "initial offers" to Missouri, Nebraska, Notre Dame and Rutgers, according to anonymous sources.  It seemed like a slightly more reliable report than the "done deal" we heard out of Columbia, Mo.'s KOMU last week, if only because it was reported by 810, a heavy hitter in local sports, and because there was no way to listen to what the sources had actually said and realize that there was no way any rational person could have come to the conclusion that anything was a "done deal."

First of all, the article called the offers "initial."  It didn't call them "formal" offers or "final" offers.  Maybe that means something, or maybe it doesn't, but I found it an interesting choice of words.

Not long after the article was posted, the standard denials were issued that always accompany a news report that is either wrong or is premature and not broken on the interested parties' terms.  Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman claimed the report had no validity, more specifically stating as follows:

The University of Nebraska has not been offered any opportunity to move from the Big 12.

That's pretty unequivocal language.  It does not say they haven't been "formally offered" or "finally offered."  It says they haven't been offered "any opportunity" to leave the Big 12.  If Perlman was going for a denial that could be construed as not being a falsehood later if an offer really had been extended, he failed.

Missouri's response was also a denial, although it was more interesting than Perlman's.  Mizzou athletic director Mike Alden made the following statement:

“There’s nothing there at all,” said the source, who said he had spoken with MU athletic director Mike Alden on Monday. “Not yet. … nothing has changed.”


Of course, Missouri officials are taking part in "internal discussions about the Big 10 Conference."  Why on earth a university would waste its high-level administrators' time with discussions about something that was nothing more than the basest speculation is beyond my comprehension.  And you'll notice that Alden said "Not yet" toward the end of his quote.  That was probably a slip of the tongue, although it's open to interpretation what that slip means.

The Big 10 also has offered a denial, with a spokesman saying "nothing has changed," which seems to be the Big 10's Mission Statement.  With the denials from all parties involved, it would take a lot of reading between the lines and looking for what you want to believe this is any closer to reality than it was, say, two weeks ago.  So what more do we need to know?

Star-divide

First of all, we need someone to go on the record, and that someone needs to be in a position to know.  I'm growing weary of the reports that someone at ESPN heard from a Pac-10 athletic director that maybe Jim Delaney likes corn on the cob and watching tigers in magic shows, ergo it's clear that Nebraska and Missouri are soon to be absorbed.  Likewise, it's against my training as a journalist to throw much faith into stories based on anonymous sources.  I really miss the days when "news" outlets reported something that was backed up by the quotes of John "Diddly" Dick, president and CEO.  It really is a shame when you can no longer be sure that what's reported on the news is real, and today's news reports often are not worth diddly dick.

That said, I would also be making a serious accusation if I said I think Keitzman merely made all this up.  Ratings whore though Keitzman is, nobody with half a brain would throw away their credibility by making up a story as big as this and attributing it to anonymous sources "close to the negotiations."  If the story ends up outed as untrue, we can fairly accuse Keitzman of poor judgment in his choice of sources, but I find it hard to believe that he simply fabricated this story of whole cloth.

Today's intrigue is only going to exacerbate the sniping that's beginning in this conference.  Missouri governor Jay Nixon started it by sticking his foot squarely in his mouth by badmouthing Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, and it continued in the media today when an anonymous (!) Big 12 official said Missouri's and Nebraska's "act" is starting to "tick people off" and that equal revenue sharing "isn't going to happen" because of the Tigers' and Cornhuskers' saber-rattling.

Is this fair?  My first reaction was "absolutely not" when I wrongly assumed that this anonymous source might be a Texas official, although I guess we can argue whether a "Big 12 official" is really distinguishable from a "Texas official" in any meaningful way.  But the more I thought about it, the more I questioned whether the criticism of MU and NU is fair. 

Clearly, the Big 10 represents a financial windfall to either school.  But as we've asked with UT in the past: do they really need it?  Nebraska generates a ton of revenue -- thanks in part to the fact that it benefits from unequal revenue sharing -- and has facilities that rival those at Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma.  Missouri's facilities as a whole don't measure up, but their Cracker Barrel Mizzou Arena is as nice as any other basketball arena in the league, and their other facilities would easily compete favorably in the top half of the conference.

Using UT again as an exemplar, we've seen the power of keeping the alumni happy.  Texas makes less money from the Big 12 than Northwestern does from the Big 10, and yet its athletic department revenue is up 32 percent in the last two years, and is the top revenue-producing AD in the nation.  Selling tickets, selling merchandise, and raking in donations more than make up for the $10 million or so Texas spots schools in the Big 10 and SEC in TV money.  It's one reason some have questioned whether it makes sense for UT to consider jumping to the Big 10 or the SEC.  Would they still win at the rate they do, and would their alumni have the same passion for games against these new opponents?

The same goes for Missouri and, to a (possibly) lesser extent, Nebraska.  Mizzou doesn't exactly run with the big dogs when it comes to filling its stadium and arena on a regular basis, and what if nobody in the Big 10 generates the same buzz among MU alumni that century-old rivals in the Big 12 generate?  Nebraska will probably always sell out Memorial Stadium because I grew up there, and I can attest that there's nothing else to do on fall Saturdays even if you want to, because the state practically shuts down to watch or listen to the games.  But will games against Michigan and Ohio State replace the cherished rivalry with Oklahoma, weakened as it has been by the Big 12?  Will there be anyone they hate as much as Colorado or K-State?  What if they become -- gasp! -- just another run-of-the-mill Big 10 team, in a state nobody cares about, running an offense that is in no way unique?

I guess it boils down to the following question.  If we could guarantee both Nebraska and Missouri that the Big 12 will continue to be a powerhouse athletic conference, will get an improved TV deal in the next few years, and may be able to generate new revenue streams -- perhaps with a Pac-10 alliance for media rights -- would they give up what they know for nothing other than money, the marginal utility of which could be questionable?  My guess is that all parties fear that some other school is going to bolt, and that eventually Texas will decide it's not worth sticking around anymore, at which point the conference will no longer be viable.  In that situation, you have to protect your interests and make the preemptive move if that is available to you.

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds has stated in the media that Texas is committed to the Big 12.  Perhaps at the Big 12's upcoming meetings, all the school representatives need to have a brutally honest discussion of their positions.  If the media-rights alliance with the Pac-10 is really going to happen and it really is going to increase TV revenue, and Texas really is committed to remaining with the Big 12, then perhaps Nebraska and Missouri need to be given an ultimatum to either be a part of the team or get out.  Otherwise, I can't fault them for protecting their interests.

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There is no reason for Nebraska and Mizzou to expect things might get a lot better in the Big 12. Changes in revenue sharing and Pac 10 partnerships are nice thoughts but the off chance that these might materialize is not even close to enough to sway a university from the gauranteed increase in cash that would result from joining the Big 10. However, I do not see the exedous of Mizzou and Nebraska as a certainty. Therefore, I propose the following question:

“Is it better (in the BCS) to be a big(er) fish in a small(er) pond, or vice versa?”

Of course once you successfully decide your answer you’re then left with, “will the BCS system change?” and “how are athletics success and athletics revenue related to the overall strategy and goals of the institution in question?” (I believe athletic success and revenue may not be correlated given the big fish/small fish question)

by Mrfphy on May 10, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a good question
“Is it better (in the BCS) to be a big(er) fish in a small(er) pond, or vice versa?"

It all really depends on your financial status. Big fish schools can benefit in being the top dogs (see Texas) while being in a smaller pond. Vice versa, a small fish school (Northwestern) is better suited in a bigger pond.

As for K-State, we are more suitable for success if we are in a big pond. We don’t have the resources to maintain big fish status (see our rises and falls in both basketball and football).

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hidden gold:
The Big 10 also has offered a denial, with a spokesman saying “nothing has changed,” which seems to be the Big 10’s Mission Statement.

by RPT on May 10, 2010 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Also:
Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds has stated in the media that Texas is committed to the Big 12.

FIFY.

by RPT on May 10, 2010 11:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We're not just doing this for the money...

We’re doing it for a crap load of money

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by KC_HAWKEYE on May 10, 2010 11:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Does no one see the big flaw in this stupidity?

The Big 11 is not going to add FOUR schools! What the hell does adding four mean? You have two unequal divisions? WTF?

I knew this was bullstuffing as soon as I saw four on the list. Add Syracuse or UConn and then we can talk, but 15 teams does not a conference make. Unless the Big 11 dumps Indiana or Illinois.

by Sean T on May 11, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions  

No, they won't add four...

…but that wasn’t what the article said. My interpretation was that NU, Mizzou and Notre Dame will get offers. If all three accept, that will probably be it (14 teams). If Notre Dame says no, Rutgers will be added, and they’ll consider whether to stop at 14 there or go for 16. My guess is they would go for 16 because Rutgers alone won’t get them much traction in NYC.

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by TB on May 11, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I took the article as this

MU, Neb, ND, AND Rutgers will have invites. In this scenario they are assuming everyone but ND will automatically accept. If ND does accept, they will search for a 16th member. If ND does not accept, they will cap the conference at 14 teams. Rutgers is in regardless of what ND does. The only thing affecting the 14 or 16 team league is Notre Dame.

Personally this ultimately gives Notre Dame the same leverage as it’s always had. By this scenario, ND could still tell the Big 10 no, only to come back later to make up the 16 team conference. As talked about before on how this could all just be a push to get Notre Dame in, this feels different since it still allows for future expansion. The Big 10 basically says with this package that we won’t go to 16 teams without ND.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep, I took it the same way, mystman995

Big 10 has “initially offered” invitations to Mizzou, Nebraska, Notre Dame and Rutgers, with the expectation that Mizzou, Nebraska and Rutgers say yes (bringing the conference to 14 teams). If Notre Dame is on board (bringing the total to 15), THEN it would move towards a mystery 16th team that it already has in mind (Pitt? Syracuse? Connecticut?)…the conference doesn’t want to bring to the 16th team to the table until the Big 10 is sure it wants to extend the invite (and is sure the mystery team will say yes)…and the Big 10 won’t know until it gets an answer from Notre Dame.

The decision to include Rutgers doesn’t hinge on Notre Dame – Rutgers is already (hypothetically) in. What hinges on Notre Dame is the decision to expand to 16 teams.

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by MizzouCus on May 11, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

And mark my words – the Big 10 will NOT go to 16 teams without Notre Dame. Just not going to happen.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good interpretation

I still call bullstuffing for this though.

by Sean T on May 11, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou talks about KU as thier rival

so if they leave I think KU should say f you to playing them anymore. Same for when Nebraska wants to schedule OU or CU out of conference.

Get ready to roll...Go Cats!

by mjk7166 on May 11, 2010 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Or to put a little salt in the wound while still scheduling those schools

is to only sign Home-Away-Home series contracts with Nebraska or something. Induce a penalty or something. I mean, they should be able to afford it being in the big-bad-money-making-Big10 right?

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me get this straight.

You would propose that Mizzou or NU turn down a guarantee of $10+ million dollars per year for the privilege of playing ku or cu?

Not so much. I think if you polled Mizzou fans. They would leave ku stranded on what they perceive as a sinking ship for free.

The only thing that would make this scenario better would be if CU and KSU go to the Pac 10.

by nwtiger1 on May 11, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, as a Mizzou fan

I don’t necessarily want to leave the old Big 8 schools (the Texas contingent can go …. themselves). But it’s hard to turn down a jump in athletic money from $9 million to $22 million or more. And you can’t argue with the Big 10’s CIC connections on the research front.

by jschooltiger on May 11, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was saying not to go

but more of a way to stick-it-to the schools who left. Basically – when you leave, take your rivalries with you.

I don’t necessarily agree with that, but it wasn’t a question of not joining the Big 10.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a loss to both schools

since it’s a pretty high revenue generating game right?

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by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If the argument for leaving to go to the Big 10 is money, the Arrowhead game has also generated a lot of money for both schools.

It would be a loss. Rivalry aside monetarily a loss.

 Rivalry thrown into the argument, there should be no way the KU games are ever left off a Missouri schedule.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 11, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely a bigger loss for them

The Arrowhead game gets each school a guaranteed $2 million each year. Mizzou would be able to replace that game with a similarly attractive game at Arrowhead versus NU or by keeping the Arch Rivalry game going in St. Louis (since in the Big 10 scenario, Mizzou would presumably play Illinois each year). We have other options, both in terms of rivalry and a geographically logical neutral site game.

Not sure who kU would be able to get for an attractive annual neutral site football game. There’s really not much interest outside the kU fanbase in their program as a whole, and I can’t see the kU – K-State game being able to draw that sort of money at Arrowhead.

That’s my take.

by apr67d on May 11, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mizzou should obviously do what they think is best

I think they would be better off overall in the Big Ten. However, I expect their football team to struggle. I think they will just end up being another Illinois. Good enough to make a splash occassionally, but not good enough to be in the conversation consistently. It may depend on how they break up the conference.

by Texas Wahoo on May 11, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean like they are now?

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by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

I guess I think of them as in a stronger position than Illinois, but that may be biased by their good seasons lately. I don’t see them being able to win a Big Ten South or whatever arrangement the Big Ten decides to go with. I do not see East/West as a possibility, as the East would be too strong.

by Texas Wahoo on May 11, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Illinois make a BCS bowl recently?

But anyways I think Missouri is a little different since they don’t seem to have the quick peaks and quick valleys like Illinois does. Back in the early 2000’s, Missouri wasn’t really competing much – even in the north.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Illinois did make the Rose Bowl (with an 9-3 record if I recall)

I guess I wonder if they might just become another bottom-feeder Big Ten school (like Illinois, Minnesota, etc.) I’m not sure they will be able to compete with Ohio State or Michigan every year, in addition with Nebraska. They will have to start recruiting Illinois and other midwestern states better, since they will likely lose a lot of their pull in Texas.

Like I said, I think a lot of it will depend on how they draw the divisions.

by Texas Wahoo on May 11, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they end up in the middle tier in the Big 10, overall.

Historically Northwestern and Indiana will always be in the bottom-feeder tier. That also goes the same for Ohio State and Michigan. There just seems to be a lot of movement between the teams in the middle.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 11, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the eyes of Big Ten schools...

I think Mizzou is a perfect fit: Enough of a contender to add a small bit of legitimacy without threatening the established upper tier.

That’s of course all subject to change for better or for worse, but I think that’s the prevailing opinion.

by RPT on May 11, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I will say

although I have nothing to say about our shameful non-sales of BB tickets, we come pretty darn close to filling Faurot Field on a regular basis. We don’t have all that many “sellouts” but it’s because the administration here counts the hill and temporary bleachers as between 9,000-11,000 extra seats for any given game. We probably have 62,000-63,000 permanent seats in the stadium, so any figure above that basically means the seats are full. Why they don’t report capacity there so that we boast 110% attendance like some schools do, I’ll never quite understand.

by jschooltiger on May 11, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Good write up TB

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 11, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Another piece to consider

The academic benefits to joining the Big 10/CIC are, I think, why Mizzou (and presumably Nebraska, although I’m less familiar with their situation) jumps when the Big 10 offers. The Big 12 is just not ever going to confer the same academic benefits as the Big 12. Too many of the schools are just not good enough. While it’s true that sports are placed at probably an inappropriate level of importance, these are still universities we’re talking about, and the added academic prestige and research revenue from the CIC are just too good to pass up, especially for a school like Mizzou.

Also, I think it’s a little incongruous how Mizzou ticket sales get painted – except for meaningless non-con games, Faurot and Mizzou Arena are almost always essentially full – exception being for the high-dollar seats at the arena that get sold to businesses that don’t show up, and that’s not likely to change unless Mizzou becomes a big enough perennial power that they can afford to require attendance to people who buy those tickets (like Kansas does). And as far as capacity goes, yeah, Memorial Stadium isn’t the Horseshoe or whatever, but it’s still upper-middle of the pack in the Big 10 in terms of capacity. It isn’t like we’re talking about TCU here.

Regardless, great writeup on the issue.

Making fun of the "Mizzou Needs a Fullback" Club since...well, for a while, anyway.

by jaeger on May 11, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

TB

Do you think their is any way that the Big Ten offers something other than full-fledged membership? Is it possible they will require a 10 year implementation period before the new schools can get full benefits? Are we sure that the new schools will get CIC membership? We assume all of these things because that is how they currently do it, but I’m not sure the Big Ten has said anything.

by Texas Wahoo on May 11, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Good question

I haven’t seen anything from an official Big 10 source indicating whether invitations will include everything from the beginning, or if there will be a breaking-in period. Everybody has just seemed to assume that membership will include all the benefits the current Big 10 schools enjoy.

If membership includes a waiting period for full benefits and does not include CIC membership, I would think Missouri and Nebraska will have a more difficult decision on their hands. Academically, neither school gains anything by moving to the Big 10 if CIC membership isn’t included. The increased payday from the BTN and the better ESPN/ABC contract would be nice, but if there’s no good reason for the academic side to move, will the athletic side give up on viable conference for a few million more? Maybe that depends on what both schools think we can get out of the next TV negotiation and/or a Big 12/Pac-10 media rights alliance.

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by TB on May 11, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't buy the academics argument for a minute...

relating to the importance to the institution(regarding Big 12 schools, that is) in staying-in/leaving a conference? Seriously, if academics mattered as much across the board as administrators and some other people like to pretend, then there would surely be more athletes getting better grades, right? Or being kicked out for missing classes or things of that nature?

Certainly an education matters, and there will always be those who don’t care about getting one making it seem otherwise, but in terms of > $10 million a year at stake, I don’t buy it for a minute from any Big 12 school saying academics are anything but a minor player in a decision to join another conference.

They care about money and winning.

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on May 11, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I still don't buy it

I agree with Vegas. I think academics is purely a BS excuse for a money grab. The BOR is nothing more than a rubber stamp.

by Sean T on May 12, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks RPT and Gopher

From the CIC site -

“CIC universities engage in $6 billion in funded research each year ($3.2 billion from federal sources). Leaders from our member universities are exploring ways to promote greater strategic engagement across the spectrum of the research enterprise to leverage and build upon the significant resources and research facilities. Additionally, CIC universities engage in the following research-oriented initiatives…”

That is a lot of money in school terms.

by Sean T on May 12, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The academics argument isn't just about prestege

The CIC is a research consortium amongst Big 10 members (and the University of Chicago). The do hundreds of millions of dollars in collaborative research every year (it might even be billions). Gaining access to the CIC is a windfall for both Nebraska and Missouri.

The money from increased research revenue could easily dwarf any increase they see from athletics. That’s why you’re seeing the Governor of Missouri advocate for inclusion in the Big 10. It’s big money and it means high paying jobs for both the state and the University.

by Gopher86 on May 12, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

This.

Academics and money aren’t mutually exclusive.

by RPT on May 12, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to double post

Great write up!

I’d like to add one thing, though. The Big 10 never ‘invites’ anyone— a University must apply and then the presidents of the Big 10 determine if they deserve an invitation. The Big 10 can have serious talks with both Universites (which they most certainly are), but all they can to do is encourage them to apply. So when Nebraska and Mizzou say they haven’t received invites, it’s true. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the Big 10 hasn’t said, ‘If you apply, you’re a sure thing’.

It’s a subtle difference, but it allows both parties to deny any ‘invitation’ speculation before formal applications are announced.

by Gopher86 on May 12, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Why not be snobs?

ND has always been a snob, Duke wants to be (and thinks it is), and the Big 11, because of their CIC and their own network, can afford to be.

It just gives me more reason to dislike them.

by Sean T on May 12, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's face it...

We’re a little jealous no matter if we want to admit or not but I I’m still going say I hate nebraska or missouri if they were to leave…

And on the 3rd year he rose again...

by EMAWrising on May 12, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Or even if they stay

right? :-)

Also, @ above replies… so you are telling me academics are more important than the money because of the money for the academics?… I see… … …

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on May 12, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking Vegas...

People defending decisions based on academic value is a joke. It’s all about the money.

Get ready to roll...Go Cats!

by mjk7166 on May 13, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I will say that

almost everything could be argued down to dealing with money and frequently would be done so just for the case of arguing. However, this situation (college athletics/money/academics) it appears to me to actually be about the money. Academics can be thrown at it, but they are based on money in this scenario (conference realignment/Big 10/11 expansion)… just come out and say it is for the money and the money and the money, with academic implications buried within.

Nothing wrong with trying to get more money though, especially if it can in some way be geared towards something academic AND athletic.

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said.

You posted this while I was typing out that long retort below on my phone while getting an oil change, so pardon the verbose high horse diatribe below.

I think we agree: It’s all about the money. The fact that the $$$ adds up academically too is just yet another bonus.

by RPT on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just wish

institutions involved would (could? it would come across as not PC?) come out and say it that way. Everyone either does or should realize it is this way (which agrees with my statement and yours below)… Alas, only genies can grant wishes – and I still haven’t found a reliable source for genies.

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on May 13, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear that they are not located in the Big 10....

…just sayin’

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by mystman995 on May 13, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I misunderstood your post

I wasn’t try to imply that this is anything outside of a monetary move. I was just saying that the academic money could be a bigger factor than the extra media contract money.

Like you said; either way it boils down to the Almighty dollar.

by Gopher86 on May 13, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not completely ignorant.

Obviously it’s all about the money and it’s 99.9 percent about athletics. But don’t act like academics don’t have a place at the table, especially because a move means money for both athletics AND academics.

TB has always discussed the difference in schools’ philosophies. Some schools’ missions are to provide fantastic state education at a price that tries to best serve students. Whether justified or not, others, like Mizzou, fancy themselves as large research institutions at any cost. If the CIC wants to write MU a fatass check for research, that’s one more advantage to add to the 641 other athletic and financial advantages.

by RPT on May 13, 2010 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"If the CIC wants to write MU a fatass check for research, that’s one more advantage to add to the 641 other athletic and financial advantages."

I wish someone would explain the CIC to me. The way I understand it is that it is a coalition of research institutions that do some work together. What exactly are the benefits of membership? I assume they do not share all research funding equally. What do they share? What does the CIC have to gain from adding Nebraska and Missouri?

by Texas Wahoo on May 13, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, why is it tied to Big 10 membership?

What about the University of Chicago? Why not apply to be a CIC member without athletic ties?

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by MadCat on May 13, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will attempt to answer my own question re: U of Chicago
The Committee on Institutional Cooperation was established by the presidents of the Big Ten Conference members in 1958 as the athletic league’s academic counterpart. An invitation extended to the University of Chicago, one of the founding members of the Big Ten who withdrew from the conference in 1946, was accepted.

Following its admittance to the Big Ten in 1990, the CIC invited Pennsylvania State University to join the consortium.

Link

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by MadCat on May 13, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oddly enough, the Big 10 conference is the only (I think) conference that has academic ties to it

That’s why academics is also a part of their criteria. With the CIC, I believe they share information from their research. I’m not too familar with this, so somebody else could further explain it if they know.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 13, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I always thought the whole point of academic research was so that you could take the credit for it?

And on the 3rd year he rose again...

by EMAWrising on May 14, 2010 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess I stated that wrong.

I was looking through the CIC website and found a little bit of what they share:

-Library Collaborations
-Technology Collaborations
-Purchasing and Licensing
-Leadership Development
-Sharing Access to Courses
-Study Abroad Collaborations

So basically they share the infrastructure, but all the research they do on their own is theirs.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 14, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Leadership Development?

Thats a sham

And on the 3rd year he rose again...

by EMAWrising on May 15, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

TB

Great write up on BON I was via Seth at DTN in re K-State’s mission as a University and meeting the needs of the people. I’ll throw in ISU, and OSU as well. While tech is not "Tech"nically a land grant, it was chartered do do the same things you spoke of for the hard working people of West Texas. That’s why we have a 4 med schools, a law school, Angelo State University, as well as various engineering graduate schools across WT. It’s all about our specific mission. It’s hard to admit, but some of the member schools in the B12 just don’t have the same mission, but that’s also what’s so hard about this…..At least Tech, OSU, and K-State have tasted the limelight of NATIONAL notoriety in sports and we don’t want to give that up.

Give 'Em Hell Tech!!!!!

by Plano Jeff on May 14, 2010 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

And, after further reflection...

This appears once again to be a case of Kietz being a big, fat drama cow.

63 responses, huh? I’m sure glad TB and you guys are all over this, because I’m frankly bored and sick of the realignment talk.

This is shaping up to be the worst summer ever in sports. What will be, will be. I’m probably gonna tune out for a while.

by BracketCat on May 15, 2010 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Grab some stix

and hit the links. Best cure for the summer – you know when you’re not at work…

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on May 15, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

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