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TOURNEY WATCH: 3/21/2010

Among the things I would not have predicted heading into this season is the following:

Baylor and Texas Tech will have longer seasons and deeper tournament runs than Kansas.

And that's all I have to say about that. It might surprise KU fans, but I actually was disappointed the Jayhawks lost. No matter what the other Big 12 teams do, the conference will be viewed as a fraud because of what the top team didn't do.

Hating KU irrationally and cheering every early exit was fine during the Wooly years, but now that we have our own program and our own successes, I'm just not as obsessed with them as I used to be. So I'm going to take the high road.

Congratulations on a very good season, Jayhawks. I hope in time you will be able to look back and realize that the Big 12 championships you won (again) made the season a success, because it's damn hard to win the NCAA Tournament — even if everything goes right.

Star-divide

AP Ranking = 7

ESPN/USA Today Ranking = 7

NCAA Seed = 2 (West Region)

Record = 28-7

  • Loyola Chicago (14-16)
  • Western Illinois (13-17)
  • Boston University (20-13)
  • No. 2* seed Ole Miss (23-10)
  • No. 3* seed Dayton (21-12)
  • IUPUI (25-10)
  • FHSU (22-7)
  • Washington State (16-15)
  • No. 6 seed Xavier (25-8)
  • No. 8 seed UNLV (25-9)
  • Alabama (17-15)
  • No. 16 seed UAPB (18-16)
  • Cleveland State (16-17)
  • South Dakota (22-10)
  • No. 10 seed Missouri (23-10)
  • No. 5 seed Texas A&M (24-9)
  • Colorado (15-16)
  • No. 8 seed Texas (24-10)
  • No. 7 seed Oklahoma State (22-11)
  • No. 3 seed Baylor (27-7): Win over No. 11 seed Old Dominion (76-68 in the NCAA Tournament)
  • No. 1 seed Kansas (33-3): Loss to No. 9 seed UNI (69-67 in the NCAA Tournament)
  • Nebraska (15-18)
  • Iowa State (15-17)
  • Oklahoma (13-18)
  • No. 5* seed Texas Tech (19-15): Win over No. 8* seed Jacksonville (69-64 in the NIT)
  • No. 15 seed North Texas (24-9)
  • No. 7 seed BYU (30-6): Loss to No. 2 seed Kansas State (84-72 in the NCAA Tournament)

*NIT

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I'll second that...

Congrats to KU on a great season. I typically cheer for KU, as long as K-State isn’t playing them.

by williewildcrack on Mar 21, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Bracket and Williewildcrack...

I appreciate your kind thoughts on the subject. We’ve seen a lot of classy responses and comments on Rock Chalk Talk from both the K-State and Missouri fans around SB Nation. I completely understand anyone from those sides that would be happy to see us fall, but understanding that it doesn’t make this team horrible is what can sometimes be missed by rival fans. Hell at the moment it’s tough for our own fans to come to grips with that.

As Bracket said winning the whole damn thing takes a lot. Personally I NEVER set out with the expectation of winning it all. I will say though, I did feel this team needed to make the Final Four or they would be judge harshly.

Good luck to you all the rest of the way…and I guess we’ll get an early jump on football coverage this year.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 21, 2010 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Denver, I have to know...

…do you think Sherron Collins has been playing hurt? I’m all but convinced that he has been playing hurt since at least the game in Manhattan. It’s not really that he’s played all that poorly, but he does not look like himself out there.

Either way, sorry about the loss. That’s a tough way to end a season, much less a career, for a team that had much higher expectations.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Mar 22, 2010 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes...

we’ve believed it for some time as well. It seems that it’s happened almost every year with him and it remains very quiet until the season ends.

I also think Cole never fully recovered from his early season dings…he just never looked at full strength game in and game out and I think his recovery speed was slow. Now he’s never been super quick by any means but he just seemed slower and out of place in certain situations.

Interestingly this team always seemed to thrive on spurts. A few spurts in a game put you away. Toward the latter half of Big 12 play, many of those spurts were now coming with Sherron or Cole or even both on the bench. The team grew up a little, but they were still young and they were far from their best when they leaned to heavily on those two.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 22, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can take the high road BC, but I'll enjoy my schadenfruede

I think Denver will agree that there are some KU fans who need to learn humility. I know too many KU fans who were more than happy to gloat about how crappy KSU was and I’m thrilled to run it in their faces.

Also, as much as I despise Collins, Thing 1 & 2 and Morningstar, I still respect Self and what he’s been able to do year after year. It is staggering to me how Self has been able to keep KU so good, while teams like Florida (after back to back national titles!) and North Carolina fall on their faces.

by Sean T on Mar 22, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

ummmm....

there are fans of every team and every school who need to learn humility…even fans of bad teams sometimes forget they are bad.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 22, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Respect

I’m all for respecting every KU fan I’ve seen on SB nation haven’t seen a bad one yet and Denver is probably one of the best. However I’ve been on the receiving end of some bad vibes all year with the hating just because I’ve said “We have the ability to beat KU” once or twice which apparently sets off the beakers I know personally.

Anyway I just loved seeing Tyrel cry, that guy know what he did to the teams in my league in high school especially my hapless bluestreaks.

And on the 3rd year he rose again...

by EMAWrising on Mar 22, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

If there is a KU fan...

that doesn’t acknowledge KSU has the makeup to beat us and compete on a national level right now…then they deserve what they are getting today.

Not tooe Wil mention it’s pretty stupid of them considering we’ve beaten the Wildcats three times and by discounting them, they are only discredit what KU has accomplished in doing so. Every one of those games gave me jitters before hand, and every one gave me a great deal of satisfaction after because I knew Kansas had beaten a VERY GOOD team.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 22, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats what I said

I mean they kept acting like it was k-state basketball from a few years back…they seemed to forget that Wooly wasn’t coaching no more. Yeah sure KU has gotten the better of us a lot even considering how much we’ve improved over a few years but this a brand new world and next years basketball sunflower showdowns are going to be the best ones yet I think.

And on the 3rd year he rose again...

by EMAWrising on Mar 22, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

You guys are going to have a very good team next year...

I think our situation is a little less know, but we could be pretty good as well. Should be interesting, but right now I’d give you guys the edge I suppose.

53 Conference Championships!! and now 6 IN A ROW!!! Holy Hell...Good Luck with That!!

by Owen Kemp on Mar 22, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the difference between Joe Sortafan

and the sort of fans that hang out on SBN, really. I don’t think I’m being too bold in asserting that the SBN community in general has about 50 IQ points on the non-SBN fan community.

It’s been hard for me to hold onto my schadenfreude ’cause of classy, knowledgeable guys like Denver and Warden.

This space for rent.

by jonfmorse on Mar 22, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's precisely how I feel

Luckily, I still have ignorant KU co-workers, so I still was able to salvage some schadenfreude out of the deal today at work.

by BracketCat on Mar 22, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys. We appreciate it.

And honestly, rub it in those other idiots faces. They more than likely deserve it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

by Warden11 on Mar 22, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with some of all of that has followed

the KU – UNI upset. (I have seen it NIU on here a bit – isn’t that Northern Illinois, not the University of Northern Iowa)

I watched as much of the 2nd half as CBS was willing to broadcast on their TV channel. At every moment I was expecting KU to find a way to pull it out… it wasn’t until I saw many/most/all of the KU players and faithful crying in disbelief that I knew they would not win. Initially, I was just shocked – only shocked. Then it became more complex and I submit that some KSU fans had similar reactions.

I was sad for the Big 12 and the conference’s heaviest hitter exiting early. In a year without a serious PAC 10 contender and the Big East flopping to this point in the tourney, the Big 12 is staring a great opportunity in the face. I am always a Big 12 fan second only to being a KSU alumni/die-hard.

I was happy for UNI – they played hard and have all season (at least, I saw it that way in the 2.5 games I saw them play this season). They didn’t play dirty, they were not trash talking, and they never gave half-effort on any play.

I was hoping that Frank’s men would take in the lesson to be learned – any team giving whole effort can beat a faster, bigger, stronger team giving zero-to-half effort on a given night. BYU is less athletic, less multi-dimensional, and not as deep as this KSU team – but anything could happen and I was hoping this game would send that message home. Play hard in every game when it could be your last if you don’t (and often even if you do).

I feel sympathetic (Dec 5, 1998 will never be long ago enough) for my relatives that are KU faithful, the positive kind with whom I can exchange jabs – in the name of humor and sportsmanship – over KSU triumphs and defeats in the head-to-head. Denverjhawk, warden11, and some other KU-SBnation’ers – you fit in here as well.

Lastly and unfortunately is how happy I am about KU losing this game. It will feel very familiar and quite similar to how it was after the Bucknell and Bradley tournament games. For every Denverjhawk or warden11 (and other SBnation KU supporters etc) I have met at least one Jayhawk with simple ugly hatred for Kansas State that has been directed at me or our athletic teams.

I threw out my bracket (well, at least my research bracket – not my entered-in-bracket-challenges gut-pick bracket) since it had KU winning it all. But in the end, it really is only a bracket.

(Here’s hoping our Wildcat faithful can maintain civility in the following days when choosing if/when/how to gloat about this past weekend’s games – KSU still has four more games I would like to see us win…)

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on Mar 22, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

"For every Denverjhawk or warden11 (and other SBnation KU supporters etc) I have met at least one Jayhawk with simple ugly hatred for Kansas State that has been directed at me or our athletic teams."

+1 (or by my count 11 for all the bad-KU fans I’ve dealt with).

Those are the schmucks I’m talking about above.

It isn’t quite like the ’98 Big XII title game since KU has won before (and will probably win again). That was probably the only year KSU will ever be able to challenge for a national title in football. It makes me sick thinking about it.

by Sean T on Mar 22, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I swear

every time I turn on ESPN Classic during football season, it’s freaking Sir Parker or whatever the hell his name is taking that sweep around the right end. A little piece of me dies every time that happens.

by GCat on Mar 22, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys, guys, guys...

…you’re hyperventilating! Here, let me help:

December 6, 2003.

This space for rent.

by jonfmorse on Mar 22, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

HELL YEAH!

Thanks for bringing that up.

by GCat on Mar 22, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Parker never broke the plane and was outside the pylon...too bad no replay then.

Watching Bishop fumble is the real gut wrencher for me as that was the start of it all.

by Catbacker98 on Mar 22, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

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