Hammer and Rails is trying to sort out the #1 seeds
by grmann on Feb 21, 2010 5:25 PM CST
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They didn't consider Kansas State, but I can't really argue with the 7 teams they did pick. (They may also have completely blanked on K-State's existence since they also left us off Kansas' win list.) Just for my own amusement I put together KSU's profile in the same style for comparison and it seems to fall towards the bottom of the pile, but doesn't really look out of place. (My RPI numbers are 3 days newer than theirs so there will be some discrepancies.)
Kansas State (21-4, 9-3) RPI: 6 SOS: 6
Top 25 RPI wins: #13 Texas A&M, at #15 Baylor, #19 Xavier, #25 Texas
Top 50 RPI wins: #37 Dayton (neutral court), at #43 UNLV
Losses: #1 Kansas, #29 Oklahoma State, at #39 Missouri, #60 Mississippi (neutral court)
Positives: 6-1 in true road games (5-1 in conference, 2-0 vs top 50 RPI), loss to Mississippi was early in the season, remaining schedule is solid, but except for Kansas should be wins, #6 in SOS, in #1 RPI conference, could really impress people with a win at Kansas
Negatives: loss to Mississippi and home loss to Oklahoma State hurt a bit, 2nd place in conference with little chance to get to first, 4 losses already and Kansas will probably provide a 5th
Remaining Schedule: at #46 Texas Tech, #39 Missouri, at #1 Kansas, #120 Iowa State
Verdict: ?
I figure I'll leave that for everybody else to discuss. It seems like the real wild card is, "Can they win the rematch with Kansas, and if not, how much of a handicap do they get for playing 2 games against the #1 team?"
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Without diving into the #1 discussion yet because K-State will have to make that case
either in Lawrence or the Big 12 Tournament, I did see that SBNation’s bracket has K-State as a 3 seed currently. No real difference between a #2 and a #3, but you guys should easily be slotted as a #2 right now.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Agreed.
I posted the same objection on there.
After Villanova’s fall, I would think we are a shoo-in this week.
He also had Wisconsin and Michigan State in there, and I don’t see how he possibly can justify keeping them after the week they had.
Agreed
But really, so long as we get Oklahoma City for the first and second round games and Houston for Regionals, I’ll be happy with either a two or a three.
We'll carry the banner high!
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A potentially unpopular, yet self-evident reality
If we can’t beat KU at least once before Selection Sunday, we probably don’t even deserve a 2 seed. On the other hand, if we DO, we’ve got a case for a 1.
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I don't know if I'd got that far.
Outside of getting run out of Lawrence, nobody can hold a loss there against K-State. Get the two seed and give us a hell of a game in the Big 12 tourney and your case is made.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
I'm not sure that's quite as self evident as you claim.
First, conference tournament results are generally discounted relative to regular season results because a lot of the top teams mail it in to save themselves for the NCAA tournament. We may not get a chance to face them then and even if we do it will be seen as a fairly cheap win.
Second, Kansas is the best team in the nation and if they manage to run the table in a Big 12 that’s arguably the best conference in the nation they will clearly be a step ahead of EVERYBODY. I have a tough time believing that having 2 losses to such a team because we played them twice will be held against us too hard.
Third, which 7 teams other than KU do think would be seeded ahead of us? In fact I’ll give you Kentucky, Purdue and Duke, and any 2 of Syracuse, Villanova, and West Virgina. So you only have to come up with 2 more teams that look better than a K-State team with 2 losses to Kansas.
West Virginia just lost to Uconn
I think you can eliminate them as a team that could be seeded higher than us.
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There's a reason I put them in a pick 2 with Syracuse and Villanova
I figured at least one of those three would get knocked out. Of course, I did expect the knocking to be done by someone other than Connecticut.
On the other hand they do have games left against Villanova and Georgetown, so they could make it back, but it would pretty much take those two out of contention.
I'm not saying we won't get it
And I don’t mean we don’t deserve it in comparison to other candidates really, either. It’s more a case of me thinking that if Team A is Seed X, and they’ve beaten Team B 2 (or 3) times already, having Team B as a Seed X+1 seems off somehow.
I guess I just need to remember that they are, at present, the best college basketball team in the country… and we took them to overtime once already. I just need to not be so pessimistic. ;)
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