If I were hired as the Head Coach tomorrow...
by Panjandrum on Dec 30, 2010 10:39 PM CST
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"Hi. Who's your best recruit?"
Cosh gets his at 0:43.
Coach Snyder, the waters need to get calm. Pronto. The refs may have taken the brunt of our anger with an asinine call, but those of us who were paying attention to the game won't forget the nearly 500 yards of total offense and thirty-six points one of the most anemic units in all of college football was able to amass today. Most of all, we realize that it wasn't an anomaly. It was par for the course.
Happy New Year, everyone. Thank God we have Frank.
PS - Adrian, I doubt you ever read this, but I have yet to find one K-State fan that blames you for what happened. You made a Hell of a play, the ref made a monumentally and historically stupid call, and no one holds you in the wrong. Just wanted to let you know that.
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Well said.
It was a horrible call, but there were plenty ways to win that game that didn’t involve a last minute 2 point conversion.
To look at the bright side here, at least this happened in the Pinstripe Bowl and not, say, the Fiesta.
The D-Line.
The defensive line needs the most work. They have been man-handled all season there is just not enough size and speed to influence the game. There were also several scratch your head alignments in the secondary which just hurt my eyes. We also miss a Mendez type player that can play MLB or SS to come up and punish runners in the hole or when they attempt to turn around the corner. We also have put precious little pressure on the QB this season while playing a strange prevent style defense in the secondary that was burned twice today for big plays. If this is the best Cosh can do than I’m sorry it is time for him to go. Please Snyder have the courage to do what Zook did at Illinois and replace the coordinators that are not making things happen.
Obviously, the D Line is Awful
But, of course, it was a porous secondary. (Zimmerman, sadly, was especially awful; two of the long TDs were on his watch. And aside from Hrebec, did a single Wildcat linebacker even make the trip? Granted, I was watching on a choppy internet feed, but I neither heard, nor noticed Childs, Slaughter, or Walker. (Speaking of which, why has every promising defensive player over the past few years actively regressed as a second year starter? Harold? Hartman? Lamur? Let’s hope Walker and Zimmerman didn’t start the process early last night.)
Did Bandon Harold made a tackle? Does he even need to be blocked anymore?
The biggest problem, and one that may not be solvable, is that Snyder was badly outcoached again. As another commentator said here a while back, that he’s fielded two competitive teams—one that came close to a Big 12 North crown, and one that actually could have won as many as 10 games—with very minimal talent—has been really impressive on the macro scale. But his gameday coaching and personnel and decision making process (ie, the micro scale) has been anywhere from not great to arguably poor.
He never allowed the offense to develop to its potential. Yeah, 32 points a game is pretty good, but it often seemed done with mirrors. After the 4-1 start, I was one of many who felt pretty clear that a CC-led team with the Molasses Sweep, line of scrimmage passes, and DT up the middle, (which only worked a couple of times after the first three games) wouldn’t get this team more than two or three more wins. Even on days where his personal stats were okay, it was a stopable offense. There were, I think, five three and outs against Baylor. OSU and Mizzou were beatable with an even average offensive outing.
Colin Klein never showed that he couldn’t lead the offense well. He was terrific against Texas. With George Blanda (post-mortem) at KU and NTSU, the Cats still win 7. I will remain convinced that a more open and dangerous offense would have stolen another win or two.
Above all, Bill gets a major kick in the ass for tonight’s loss. The 4th and 5 attempt was stupid and ended up being the difference in the game. The decision to have your punter take the snap and try to run through ten guys for five yards was inexplicable. Daniel Thomas gained five or more yards from scrimmage perhaps three times all night. So, Ryan Doehr is going to make it?
All said, this program is in better shape that two years ago. The Prince teams maxed out at 5-7 wins, whereas with a few breaks, another playmaker or two, and (yes) some better gameday coaching, this team could have won 9. Between Tuggle and Sams, there’s a chance that Bill will have his QB next year.
But I tend to look at next year as the true referendum on his second stint in Manhattan. Prince’s guys will be largely gone and Snyder will have his own third recruiting class in. The team loses very, very little in terms of graduating seniors. Corey Adams is the biggest loss in my opinion. DT—look, he’s a really good back. But he was stoppable. After the first run last night, he averaged something like a yard and a half a carry, and this happened against many of the stronger opponents. Bryce Brown has spent two decades becoming a RB and I suspect that he’ll be able to at least make up for DT, who had to learn it in two. We’re losing a lot on the OL, but these guys underachieved. (Only had to watch the last two drives last night to see this.)
So, Snyder will have his system, his players, his QB, and won’t be losing a lot from a 7-6 team. If the team doesn’t take a clear step forward next year, I don’t think it will happen at all.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 31, 2010 3:48 AM CST up reply actions
And One More Crit of Snyder Last Night
This was actually going to be my original point, but I sort of lost the train of thought above.
Marone figured out early that misdirection plays and the like would work on a slippery field. It seems like it took Snyder an extra quarter and a half to join him. Marone was the better coach last night,. His team looked far crisper and more dynamic. Snyder’s guys were burning time outs, running into each other on big downs, and looking totally unprepared on a game-deciding fake.
Perhaps when he has guys he really believes in next year?
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by MrHappyMushroom on Dec 31, 2010 6:34 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, +1,000,000,000
Mushroom, you said it all and you said it well above. Basically, you hit on the same points I’ve harped about all season, most prominently this one: K-State has a weak-ass defensive line that gets zero push, very few sacks, and is blown up against the run. Start by fixing that. I actually heard Ray Kibble’s name called once yesterday and thought “Ray who?” If you don’t fix the D-line the rest is inconsequential, no matter how pass- or spread-happy the Big-12 has become.
As for the secondary, I’ve never seen safeties regress so much from one season to the next. Zimmerman was a saving grace all season, but turned pitiful yesterday (must have been getting his advice on how not to break down on a tackle from Hartman). The quick inside slant where our defense is spread out and our safeties isolated one-on-one has been a back-killing play all year, including yesterday. That has to be fixed, whether by scheme (leaving one safety at home in the deep middle on every play) or by better fundamentals (not holding my breath), or by improving the talent at hand.
Meanwhile, we simply have to hope Arthur Brown gets over whatever plagued him at Miami and once eligible is the real deal and starts blowing up opposing running backs. Because I don’t see a lot to help us on D, and that and QB should be the sole recruiting focus.
by CT-K-Stater on Dec 31, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Agree on Hilburn
I don’t blame him at all. That salute was calm and respectful; that it drew a flag, especially after what we saw from a Big10 crew in the Tenn. v. NC game, is the kind of thing that is souring me on sports.
oh hail the Purple and White
It confirms what I already know to be true, and that's the fact that the Big Ten is nothing more than a polished turd.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Anyone else think this was their way of sticking it to us for "mistreating" poor ol' Nebraska?
Kinda felt that way. Or maybe the fix was in for Syracuse to win the game so the Pinstripe organizers could have the Doug Marrone, hometown boys feel-good storyline. Who knows.
Either way, I ain’t bitching about it. Cosh lost us this game, not Adrian Hilburn. No point in acting like a damn Nubb about it.
Absolutely absolutely agree.
I am soooo angry. I flew from LA to Colorado today so had to tivo the game and just finished watching. I’d appreciate it if you check out my post on jugofsnyder.com. heres a sample: “Tonight the purple plague made one receiver look like a mixture of Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, and Superman. Marcus Sales totals for the year was 242 yards receiving, 1 TD, averaging 24 yards per game. Sales vs purple plague: 172 yards receiving, 34 yards per RECEPTION, 3 TD. His per reception average was better than his per game average! Is this a freaking joke?!”
Hey K State
Syracuse fan here. I just wanted to say thanks for one of the most entertaining games of football I’ve seen in a long, long time. That was a cheap flag, yeah, and your O deserved the chance to go for the tie. They played one helluva game.
Other people look, Andy Rautins can SEE.
We have to face the facts:
KSU is on the verge of being a top 2-3 team in the MAC or Sun Belt conference. Since winning a conference title in 2003, HCBS has one winning season (out of four). Rather than make changes to his staff, after being told by Wefald to do so in 2005, he quits in a pique of anger, instead of planning a reasonable transition, and the Prince debacle results. Then, he rides to the rescue with largely the same assistants which brought us LOSING seasons in 2004 and 2005.
I take a back seat to no one in my admiration for what Coach Snyder did for KSU from 1989-2003. However, it is obvious he no longer has the ability to identify, hire, and retain for a reasonable amount of time, the YOUNG coaching talent which is necessary to have a good, sustaining, football program. I don’t think good young talent wants to coach for Snyder anymore. I would be willing to buy into the meme of, “well, next year will be his players, the Prince stain will be gone” if our defense this year had not regressed to one of the three worst in Div. 1. The defensive regression this year is stunning, and will not easily be turned around next year; even assuming he fires Cosh, and my bet is that he won’t.
I think we should hold off on spending alot of money on the “FAMILY” stadium.
oh hail the Purple and White
We'll know if Snyder has it in him if he fires Cosh...
If not, it may be a bti bumpy…I don’t think I can stand another year where our D seems to run into blockers on purpose, take terrible angles, or try to tackle 5’10" piles of muscle around their shoulder pads. I mean seriously, the junior football teams I coach have better fundementals (and I am not kidding).
It would be nice to get back to a D that correctly believes that its pretty damn hard to lose a game when the other team doesn’t score.
by mac attack ict on Dec 31, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I hate to agree, but
I happen to think you have a strong point, Furnace. Andy Ludwig was there what, a month, and then bolted? Koenning was here for a year, moved mountains, and then couldn’t wait to ditch his own alma mater for the Zooker? Smells fishy to me. We need young, creative coaches who are burning for a chance and that tear up the recruiting trail. I don’t know if Snyder is too demanding or what and I still consider him the greatest college coach of all time, but the game-day calls and the inability to bring in new coaches from outside the Snyder Part 1 Family Tree makes me nervous. Although I will continue to believe in him until events force me to rethink, I have to say the weird decisions on game day are taking their toll on me. I still can’t get over that ridiculous fake field goal with Doerr running into the line from 5 yards out (same call as in the Iowa State game, which also got blown up), nor every decision made in the Mizzou game from playing Coffman at all, to the fumblerooski call, to the fumble at the 1 yard line before the half where after a timeout Coffman – who had no business being in for Klein in that situation (or any other) – and the offense STILL had to check with the sideline for the play-call!!!
by CT-K-Stater on Dec 31, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I feel like breaking things every time I see half our offense turning to the sideline like a bunch of retards as the play clock winds down.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Dec 31, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed, and that particular debacle came
AFTER A TIMEOUT!!!! I still can’t get that single play from the Mizzou game out of my mind because I felt like it symbolized our season on offense (oh, that AND the 4th-and-1 short-side option call against Nebraska on the opening drive of that game). I mean there wasn’t a firm play-call – and an audible depending on the defensive alignment – already prepared?
What was painful to me yesterday was being at the game and sitting amongst some impartial fans who every time Coffman’s protection seemed to crack in the slightest would turn to each other and, “Man is that QB scared back there”. Yup. That’s our Carson. Thank God, thank God, I never have to see him behind center for K-State again. Meanwhile my buddy – who knew very little about K-State – finally turned to me in the 4th quarter and asked “What on earth is their fascination with the short-side option?” Sigh.
And we all know that wasn’t even the worst of it. I mean nice missed field goal, Josh Cherry – oh, and nice opening second half kickoff out-of-bounds to start the ‘Cuse off at their own 40. Wonderful defensive play, Wildcats. Just wonderful. You play one of the nation’s worst offenses, from one of the nation’s worst conferences, and – after a month to prepare – you allow them to blow you up for over 30 points and untold number of yards. Pit-i-ful. If I see another member of the back 7 of the K-State defense decide to tackle an opposing ballcarrier above their shoulders I’m going to have to check in to Betty Ford.
by CT-K-Stater on Dec 31, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
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