Pullen, Kelly and a case of Groupies
by BlackCats on Dec 22, 2010 4:13 PM CST
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PrintI know I'm fast becoming the "Rumor Guy" around here and I'm ok with that to some degree. I'll give you my standard legal disclaimer: This is rumor. I was told the following from my intern who shared a class with a member of the team.
Apparently this all happened a while ago. The two knuckleheads in question went shopping at Dillard's. The stuff they were buying was 30% or so off and the girl at the counter gave them 50%. It required a managers code, which the girl knew, and was discovered when they were reconciling their accounting. The code used belonged to a manager that wasn't working that day or it would have never been noticed. The store tracked down the receipts and pulled the tape to see who had used the code and who got the discount. Guess who? Someone from Dillard's (we'll call him Douche) called KSU and the school called the NCAA. This is where it gets dicey...Curt was buying more than Jake so got a bigger "benefit". There's also a little scuttlebutt that Jake came clean right away and Curt did a little two-step. Not sure.
Having worked for a retail clothing store this is incredibly common, especially in college towns. In fact, the chain I worked for stopped hiring guys who belonged to a certain frat (which I was not a part of) because it was so bad. That said, these guys should have used their heads. It is a form of stealing and to a store is no different than paying full price but walking out with a shirt down your pants. They gray area comes with who is the culprit? The one who misused a managers code or the ones who didn't say "no thanks". They are nationally recognizable, especially Jake, and put their own, and their schools, future on the line for some fucking Southpole (whatever that is) and diesel clothing.
Just as I was finishing up, THIS ARTICLE came over twitter which makes my intern sound about right.
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just takes a second ...
two knuckleheads
Yeah, that is about the right description of the two. They should have just walked away, just takes a second to make a bad stupid decision. Probably need to make that 3 knuckleheads because the coed in question belongs in the duh category as well.
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by Anon_the_younger on Dec 22, 2010 4:25 PM CST reply actions
The Coed needs to be fired
If she hasn’t been already, she should have got the boot.
It all comes down to intent. It is totally acceptable if there is a reason to give an extra discount: make up for a customer service issue, another store has the items cheaper, there is a small defect in the clothing, etc, etc.
Also, from the consumer side. I’ve stood in Ace Hardware and looked the guy in the lawn department in the face and asked him to knock off 10%. I’m a cheap bastard. But I appreciate them doing it while I’m riding my mower and I go there first when I need something.
I of course don’t play NCAA basketball though and there is no rule against it. If I asked for something the Ace guy couldn’t do and he did it anyway, now we’re conspiring against the store for ill-gotten gains.
This is embarrassing if this is indeed the whole story but in the grand scheme of things, no women were beaten, they didn’t take the discount as an inducement to play for KSU, and to my knowledge no tickets were involved. If this is why Jake has been distracted (worrying about what was going to happen) and he can now play with a clear mind, I’m glad it done and over.
Seriously.
They were idiots for doing what they did, but who would possibly call KSU about this??
Violations way worse than this happen all the time. It’s just unfortunate that taking a large discount on clothes (something I have done numerous times getting the “family discount” with friends who work at stores even though I’m not “family”) results in a harsher penalty than stealing (Masoli), beating your girlfriend (LaMichael James, possibly Dunn if Kelly’s suspension is longer), or soliciting $180k (Cam, sorry Cecil, Newton).
That being said, they knew the rules and broke them. So no excuses. Team has to work with what they have for now. And as many have said and I agree with, the way Curt has conducted himself this season the NCAA can suspend him as long as they so choose and that’s just fine.
That's no good.
This could get ugly. The thought would be how often did they do this, did anyone else on the team do it, and if Kelly has done it before what’s the total?
Something occurs to me.
If it was Curtis’s girlfriend, then there can have been no violation of NCAA rules, and therefore any punishment can only be administered at the institutional level.
The NCAA rules are to prevent athletes from gaining financial benefits as a result of their status as student-athletes. If Jake and Curtis got discounts because the girl was Curtis’s girlfriend, they’re getting them… because of Curtis’s status as “boyfriend” and Jake’s status as “Curtis’s buddy”, not because they’re student-athletes.
Just something to ponder.
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by jonfmorse on Dec 25, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we need you to advise the Athletic Department on these matters.
Like that.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Dec 26, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, with how deep our team is
this year I am worried as much now about Jake and Curt returning as I was Sunday evening when I had no clue of their transgressions.
Granted, the players moving up two spots on the team are not as experienced and likely less or at best equally talented – otherwise they would have already been up the depth chart. BUT!!! As was pointed out by someone (Owen of RCT I believe) on another thread, it is all about March if you can get a top 5 seed in the tourney. Given the team would have an entire conference and soft remaining non-con schedule to get up to speed I have no fear of Jake or Curt not playing again for KSU.
However, I would prefer they return ASAP and have only what is revealed be their wrong-doings in total. Also, that it was the cause of their seeming mental-block to achieving perceived pre-season potential for both student-athletes.
Let’s go ‘Cats! And thank you Frank for continuing to be an outstanding basketball coach at my alma mater – it is much appreciated (ha! I type that like he’ll ever read it…).
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another Mercury article
According to the article
JP sits 10% so his impermissible benefit was between $100 and $300
CK is guessed (not known for sure) at sitting for 20% so his impermissible benefit was between $300 and $500
> $500 gets you a seat on the bench for 30% of the games.
Straight forward to figure out how much they were spending at the store, if you like word problems.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Dec 23, 2010 3:06 PM CST reply actions
The article said
his benefit was just over the $100 threshold. So, if he had only got, say $99 in impermissible benefits, there would have been no suspensions.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 23, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Clarification, I was meaning that
Pullen’s benefit was just over $100
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 23, 2010 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
But what about the TN players?
Did they just have to pay the benefit?
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Dec 23, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know about their situation
That is just what the story says. Seems kind of arbitrary to me. Besides, how can they prove they received these “bonuses” because they were KSU students and not because they knew the coed?
If I was paranoid I’d say this was a witch hunt.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Dec 23, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
even paranoids have enemies.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Dec 23, 2010 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
geese
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Dec 23, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
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