Documenting K-State's Problems Against the Run
It's no secret that K-State is pretty bad against the run. OK, that's an understatement, as K-State is the worst FBS team at stopping the run, yielding 228.5 yards per game.
K-State's problems against the run are multi-factorial. For one, the Cats aren't especially big across the defensive line. The starters against Oklahoma State were Brandon Harold (258 lbs.), Prizell Brown (284 lbs.), Ray Kibble (295 lbs.) and Antonio Felder (243 lbs.). As you'll see in the play we analyze, OSU's offensive line didn't have much trouble locking up the defensive line and getting a push at the point of attack.
So a lack of size on the DL is one problem. But the positioning of the linebackers and the run support of the safeties also comes in for scrutiny here. Hit the jump and we'll take a look at a simple counter play that went for a 29-yard gain for Kendall Hunter in the first half.
Now, granted, Kendall Hunter may be the best running back in the country, so he's going to have some big plays. And just given the push that OSU got on the play below, he likely would have gained a few yards no matter what. But in a purported bend-but-break scheme such as K-State's, the difference between success and failure is being in position and limiting Hunter to five yards on plays where the line gets a good push, rather than missing assignments and giving up the big chunks of yardage.
As you can see, OSU is lined up in what is essentially an offset I-formation, but with Brandon Weeden in the pistol formation. K-State is in a 4-2-5 alignment on second and five from the Pokes' own 35 yard line, with Kadero Terrell in a two-point stance. Prizell Brown is the DL to the short side of the field, Ray Kibble is the nose tackle, and Brandon Harold is the DL to the long side of the field. Jarrell Childs (short side) and Alex Hrebec (long side) are the linebackers. Stephen Harrison is in press coverage along the far sideline, while David Garrett is matched up with the slot receiver and Terrence Sweeney is off the line on OSU's wide receiver to the near side. Tysyn Hartman is the safety to the short side of the field, while Ty Zimmerman patrols the long side.
Here, you can see the kick-out block the OSU fullback has put on Terrell. He'll be a non-factor on this play. Notice also the congestion in the middle of the field and where Hartman is. Also notice that Hunter is looking right at Hartman. Hunter has recognized that while his line has gotten a good push (they've moved the K-State defensive line a couple yards down the field), there's a lot of congestion in the middle of the field. In addition, he's noticed that Hartman is, you guessed it, essentially in the middle of the field. So at this point, he cuts outside hard, betting that Hartman won't be able to get there in time to make the play...
...and he's right. Hartman recognizes the cut a step too late and barely gets a hand on Hunter. The all-conference running back rumbles down the field for a 29-yard gain before Ty Zimmerman, hustling from the back side, makes the tackle. In fact, if Hunter would have read the block of his wide receiver matched up on Stephen Harrison correctly, he probably would have scored.
If you look in the last screen cap at where Hartman and Hunter are, you'll notice that they're a mere three yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Had Hartman moved outside initially, he would have either turned Hunter back to the congestion in the middle of the field, opening up the possibility that someone gets off a block and makes the tackle, or he would have made the tackle himself. Both probably would have stopped Hunter short of a first down, leaving the Cowboys in third and short. While I'll grant that third and short isn't the ultimate goal of a defense, for a bend-but-don't-break defense such as K-State's, it's one of the steps along the way. In any event, it's much better than a 29-yard gain that put the Cowboys at the K-State 36.
Doing this post had me thinking back to when I was a kid, or when I was in high school, or when I was in law school (until the last year), and I would watch sporting events and often think "man, I wish they'd show a replay of that." I'm sure a lot of you have said the same thing many times. Now, thanks to DVR, I can control whether I get a replay, and I can go back to a recording five days later and analyze a play that could have been stopped for three yards, but turned into almost a 30-yard gain. It's been said a million times, but I really can't figure out how I lived without DVR.
This post is the second in a series of posts sponsored by Samsung. Special thanks to K. Scott Bailey for his input into the Xs and Os of the play.
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Best typo ever, TB:
a purported bend-but-break scheme
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I didn't even notice that, when I read it before!
Maybe it’s because subliminally, I’m so used to the defense bending AND breaking, that it just made perfect sense to me! :)
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 5, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
458 yards per game average
My Kingdom for a Phil Bennett!
Anyway, thanks TB, good work. And this has to be coaching. Is this what happened with Taylor Martinez ran for 240 yards without being touched? Guys simply out of position?
Fire Chris Cosh!
To a certain extent, yes.
But, there were also some REALLY bad angles taken, that contributed to the debacle that was that game as well.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 5, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
so ...
is it the player is out of position because of the scheme? Or the player making the wrong decision on the field during the play?
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by Anon_the_younger on Nov 5, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions
so the fix is ....
a)geometry lessons
b)new defensive coordinator
c)join Furnace for a drink
d)all the above
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by Anon_the_younger on Nov 5, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks TB and Scott
Appears to me Hartman was lined up too much directly behind the linebackers, who were already playing tight to stop the inside run, in which case the safeties should have been a little wider to stop the edges. Also, the safeties are lined up a full 11-12 yards off the ball. Is this nromal on a 2nd down passing situation? If so, makes you terribly vulnerable to the run. Our defense sucks, but we all know that.
oh hail the Purple and White
Well, my "help" for TB on this one was nominal,
but I thank him for making it appear less so. :)
One big problem I see is that our DL didn’t do much in the way of keeping our LBs “clean” to flow to the ball.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 5, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
they just aren’t strong enough to perform that function like our great D/lines of 95-03 did. This may be a bigger part of the problem than we know.
oh hail the Purple and White
I good d-line makes a defense.
Pressure on the QB in passing situations makes the secondary look a hell of a lot better. Commanding a double team in a running situation keeps the o-line from getting to the next level, then any holes can be filled by the LBs at the line of scrimmage. It is unbelievable how much a good d-line improves a defense.
for reference, look at the KC Chefs
The D-line is playing well, and the defense has gone from awful to respectable in a single off-season. What I wouldn’t give for Fitzgerald back. Well, he probably wouldn’t do any good with Cosh as D-coordinator though.
Fire Chris Cosh!
About that Gale Sayers run in 1964
I did a fan post today titled “Verdict on Furnace’s Memory.” It has a good bit of historical info on the KU and K-State contests of 1964 and 1966. It was painful to write …
oh hail the Purple and White
After all these years it is still painful?
Geez. I can only imagine what I’m going to think of the-game-that-shall-not-be-named in 45 years.
Fire Chris Cosh!
Again Hartman took too much of an inside angle to stop an outside run.
Great angle to fill a gap on a fullback dive. Also for all future OSU opponents, and this is free of charge, Hunter ALWAYS cuts to the backside on his runs. So someone needs to contain his backside runs and force him either to run between the tackles or reverse his field. Both of these options are to the benefit of your defense.
It should be noted again but we pick on Hartman here but the DL and linebackers were being man-handled. This is the same DL that Nebraska dominated off the snap all night long during our game against them.
Yeah, my intention wasn't to pick on Hartman too much...
…because with the surge the OSU offensive line got, it was going to pick up a few yards no matter what.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Nov 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm watching the UCF v. Houston game
That UCF team is good. We play them in Orlando in 2012. We play Miami on the road next year. Arthur Brown better be the real deal, or the next two years are going to be ugly. We were flat out lucky to beat UCF, and that Godfrey will be a junior when we see him next.
oh hail the Purple and White
Massive and Grateful Rec from an Only Moderately Knowledgeable Fan
I used to know baseball like this, but didn’t grow up with football in the blood. Really cool to have the game explained like this. Thanks.
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As I watch OSU vs Baylor today...
Once again Kendall Hunter 94% of the time cuts it to the backside. Put a linebacker in to spy him on the backside every play.





















