K-State Slate: 11.23.10
by TB on Nov 23, 2010 8:03 AM CST
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K-State hammered Gonzaga, 81-64, in the CBE semifinals last night in Kansas City. Frank Martin and the Wildcats will take on No. 1 Duke tonight at Sprint Center.
The bench played a big role in K-State's victory over Gonzaga.
Football
Yeah, run defense has been a bit of a problem for K-State this year. Blake Slaughter's quote really sheds a lot of light on the problem.
"Looking at the film, it looked like we need to disrupt plays more instead of just fitting where we're supposed to be," linebacker Blake Slaughter said.
Curtis Kitchen isn't seeing much progress in this year's (probable) 7-5 campaign. I'll have a full post on this later this week or after the North Texas game.
Other (or, the continuing saga of the Flying Pelini Brothers)
Bo Pelini claims that his brother, Carl, was trying to get to a Nebraska player and get him out of the crowd when he broke a journalist's camera. As The Wiz of Odds points out, that is, to put it bluntly, a bunch of BS. This link has more pictures of the incident.
Don't miss this epic Rock M Nation thread on the Nebraska conspiracy.
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As one of the aTm folks pointed out, there are all sorts of cameras filming at this point including the network HD cameras. So lying about the incident is beyond dumb.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
We're talking about the Pelini's here. "Dumb" is being kind.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
I wonder if something like this is enough to bring these two clowns down?
Not the incident necessarily, but the incident PLUS their sideline blowups PLUS the lying about it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 9:12 AM CST reply actions
I am sure the Big10 has gotten word to Osborn and Perlman
that they will not put up with this crap. Pelini is gone within 3 years. He should be fired this week. It is amazing how Osborn stays above the fray on this kind of garbage. They knew about Pelini’s volatile nature from the Snyder incident in 2003. Yea, he apologized. He apologized after the blow up at Jerry World. Terrel Owens apologizes. Randy Moss apologizes. Blah, blah. But Pelini has a track record. Osborn and Perlman enable him. I hate the Nubs.
oh hail the Purple and White
This is as much on Osborn as Pelini
You’re right to say they are enablers. As illustrated by this story (which I just love linking to!), TO is well versed in the Pelini tantrums. He can not claim ignorance on this.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 23, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
If you're looking at Osborne to do something about this, you're looking at the wrong guy...
That dude will play felons and men who drag women down stairs by their hair. Doing the “right” thing isn’t really his priority. His priority is winning and everything else is secondary.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Osborn is SCUM -
He has the blood, demeanor, and morals of a special ops assasin. And I will never forgive him and Perlman for their tawdry presentation to the Neb Bd Regents (which they performed to pacify their fanbase) on their reasons for going to the Big10
Beebe and the conferenc`e should ban the Pelini’s from set foot on a field this week, or a t the conf champ game.
An assault on a credentialed photographer!
oh hail the Purple and White
I don't understand how they don't see it either
and rather just look away from all the evidence. These two are trashy coaches with no class, but every NU fan will claim they have never done anything wrong. No Nebraska coach, player, or fan has ever done anything wrong!! It’s amazing. Carl was just trying to get to a player when he hit the camera out of the jouralist’s hands…of course he was! He’s a saint. The funny thing is Osborn is just as bad with a track record of cheating and then lying about it. No one will admit it although it’s pretty well documented.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
from north of the 40th parallel
They like his passion and his willingness to stick by the players and support them….from more than one conversation my co-workers had yesterday on this yesterday.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
*willingness to stick by the players and support them
*=unless that player is your most talented athlete, who dared hurt his ankle earlier in the game.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
I have to quit re-wording posts and leaving extra words in them.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Never trust a man that takes a political stance against porn...
Because he’s obviously tipping his hand as a liar.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
well...
North of the 40th parallel, they have this meme that UNL is good and can do no wrong. If something happens bad, it was not them it was someone else.
If you do not agree with them then you obviously hate them and can not be considered impartial.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That pretty much sums it all up. Good work.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
You forgot that those who disagree with them are "just jealous" as well.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
so you have met a UNL fan (grin).
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
And then they invoke
the all time series record thing. “What’s your record against us all time – you are just jealous”!
oh hail the Purple and White
I am SO not going to miss the Cornholers!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Of course!
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
we do ... they involve academics though ;-)
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
This is a problem to me:
As he has the past three weeks, Snyder will wait to name his starting quarterback..
Why? What is the upside of starting a quarterback that is slower, weaker-armed, less of a playmaker, and is out of eligibility after this year? I really don’t get it.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 9:28 AM CST reply actions
Two more games, and it will all be over.
Just keep chanting that mantra, and you’ll feel better.
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
Because he keeps giving us glimpses of awesomeness
He had a good game against Colorado and I really am tired of all the negativity thrown his way. So he isn’t Michael Vick or Peyton Manning. Get over it. Neither is Klein. Coffman is not a terrible QB, and he is not what is wrong with this team.
We can win with Coffman. We can win with Klein. We can’t win with this defense.
I’m not saying Coffman should be our starter, or that he is better than Klein. I’m saying that he isn’t the problem and there is no need to point to his removal as starting QB as the #1 priority. Give him a break, and let Snyder do his thing. Klein is still getting playing time, and thereby game experience for next year. I don’t think that him playing the entire North Texas game will make any significant difference in how he performs next year.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 23, 2010 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What I'M saying is that it make no sense to start him,
when he’s not as talented as Klein, and he won’t be here next year. That’s all I’m saying, nothing more and nothing less.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Basketball
I’m hoping to see tonight a great game, I of course want the Cats to win and will cheer for them; however victory is not the ultimate goal as much as the team doing their best.
I want folks talking about this game in January, not in the “they played like crud” sense but in the ‘both teams left everything on the court’ sense. I want to see the Duke players at their peak tonight and the K-State players making HCFM smile with their effort.
In 10 years, I want to see an interview with an official from this game describing the joy of having the best view of the players and coaches as they competed in an epic battle. When Coach K describes this game after he retires, I hope that he will see it as one of the great games of his career.
Good luck Cats.
The time for calm and rational discourse is past, now is the time for senseless bickering -Anonymous the Younger
by Anon_the_younger on Nov 23, 2010 10:25 AM CST reply actions
I think it will be a solid effort but
a far from perfect game this early in the season. I agree with the “everything left on the court” idea. No lagging on D and easy back door cuts. It does suck that we were playing past 11PM last night though. I hope we aren’t too tired.
Bitchslapping Texas since 1997
About that poor free throw shooting
Any one who thinks our poor f/throw shooting will not cost us should review this:
http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/2688
Problem is, poor free throw shooting is not easily remedied by “practice”. If it were, there would be few poor f/throw shooting teams, becuse they would “practice their way” out of the problem.
oh hail the Purple and White
I think a lot of it is mental.
Certainly practicing FT should help some, but it’s different in a game setting. I think the Cats right now look nervous at the stripe. Staring at the rim for a long time. Big deep breaths. Even Jake looks uncomfortable there. Only Spradling has looked calm shooting FT. Myles, my god, his eyes were wide (although to be fair he was aiming for his first D1 points).
I think we’ll start hitting more FT. Four games is a very small sample set. I don’t think we’ll ever be a “good” FT shooting team, like Gonzaga is, but we should go north of 60% for sure (still not good).
It's called being relaxed at the line
which creates a problem because HCFM’s whole meme on everything else is built on an intensity level that is not conducive to the frame of mind necessary for good f/throw shooting. Gonna be a long term problem, IMHO.
oh hail the Purple and White
I typically like Curtis Kitchen's work,
but I don’t think his argument is totally fair. The second half of this year has definitely been disappointing, but let’s not discount what a bowl game means to the players. Sure a million teams play in bowl games, but from a team confidence perspective it’s crucial to have that big game to get up for at the end of the year instead of just watching at home. It may not mean much in terms of knowing who is good and who isn’t, but anyone could see after the UT game how excited the players were to be bowl eligible. It means a lot to them.
Looking forward to the team getting back on track against North Texas and most likely seeing them in person in the Pinstripe Bowl!
I have to disagree.
We went from a 4-4 conference record, and playing for the division title in the last regular season game, to a 3-5 conference record, and playing for nothing against Colorado last week. If we had beaten Colorado (or Mizzou, or Okie Lite, or Baylor), and gotten to 4-4 in conference, as well as 8-4 overall, that would have been incremental progress. 7-5, 3-5 would be treading water at BEST. If we eff around and lose to North Texas, then 6-6, 3-5 is a rather sizable backwards step.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 23, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I agree it's not major progress, if progress at all,
but all that being said, if the team plays a great game in whichever bowl chooses KState, then I will see this season as a step forward. Just think about the Prince years in which the team would sputter to the finish and enter the next season with a thousand questions and bad energy. Next year this team will have a lot of questions, particularly about defense (new coordinator fingers crossed) and QB, but if the team can have an extra month of practice and the good vibes from a bowl victory, I think it will allow us to take the real next step forward next season. So while this may be a treading water kind of year, it could also be a gateway year to the real progress we’re hoping Snyder can provide.
Treading water and progress can only truly be defined in retrospect
If people want to be Negative Nancy’s (I’m looking at you, K. Scott), there is plenty to complain about. There is also plenty to compliment if you want to be hopeful and wear purple colored glasses (I’m looking myself).
We have no idea yet if this year is a step forward, treading water, or a step backwards. Unless we lose to NT, I don’t think it can be viewed as a step backwards. We lost to Louisiana-Lafayette last year guys, and we have no such disappointment this year.
If we beat NT but have an embarrassing loss in a bowl game, then I would agree that is treading water, but I don’t think treading water is necessarily bad this early in Snyder’s tenure (whatever happened to giving someone time to implement their strategy? This is my main problem with critics of Obama, but I don’t really want to get into politics, just pointing out the comparisons).
If we beat NT and either win the bowl game or have a close, respectable loss, I think that is a step forward.
Either way, we won’t know until the fat lady sings.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 23, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
At first I strongly disagreed
And then thought about it some more. Winning vs KU in some respects could be debated as beating a second 1-AA team like last year (Tenn Tech or UMASS). It is a bit of a wash. But like I responded in another thread, it’ll really take 12 games to compare to last years 12 games to be fair. So with that being said, I think the most appropriate step (and would love to hear everyone’s opinions) from here on out, is:
What would it take out of the next two games to consider this year a progressive step towards good things to come?
I personally don’t know. I would say a box score comparable to the KU or UT game for this Saturday’s game, and hope to draw an opponent better than Syracuse and beat them in a fashion where they’re in control the whole game (notice I didn’t say blowout…see 2009 KU game, only a 7 pt victory but we really were in control the whole game).
I'll agree with you about KU
If only because I don’t want to pass up the opportunity to compare KU to a 1-AA team.
Forward into Battle
by ChrisP Wildcat on Nov 25, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Playing for a division title...
last year was more a result of relativity than us being better. It was the gap between Mizzu-Neb-KSU was closer in 2009, than the same gap in 2010. But that doesn’t mean we haven’t gotten better, we just haven’t gotten better in the same degree as the other mentioned schools. Look at the 4 conference wins last year, and I think the UCF win counts as better than any of those 4 wins IMO. I’m still not saying there’s a significant difference in the 2010-2009 teams that paints the 2010 as better (mostly due to the fact of the horrific defense). But if you consider our defense went from 39th to 109th (dropping 70, that’s right 70 spots), and we still have a better record than last year I think it’s hard to say we’re getting worse. Of course all signs point back to fire Cosh at this point. But even simple math says winning over 8 mediocre teams in 2010 is better than winning over 6 mediocre teams in 2009.
Curtis knows I hold his opinion in high regard....
And on the surface, I definitely agree with him. Has progress been made on the field? In some areas, yes. I think special teams has gotten better overall, the foundation for offensive success has been laid (but is hamstrung by personnel issues). Defensively, we’ve regressed to Prince/Tibesar levels, and that’s on the defensive coaches.
What I use to measure progress, especially in football, is what the foundation looks like going into next season. A house can be nice, and fine and pretty, but if the foundation is full of cracks, eventually it’s going to fall down. Right now, the roster is a mess in terms of numbers (overall and position based), and recruiting IS improving if nothing more than the fact that Snyder is actually recruiting qualifiers now instead of a bevy of non-qualifiers. A lot of the talent, especially those JUCO players they’ve signed and placed, are among the nation’s elite JUCO recruits, and they’ve mended a lot of the bridges inside of the state with prep and JUCO coaches that Prince burned.
A bowl game this year gives KSU an extra few weeks of practices, positive momentum and press going into next season, and something that will allow them to go straight from practicing to winter conditioning and into Spring football. It means that improvement, however slight, can carry over from this year to next.
So, I agree with Curtis that the improvement on the field is somewhat questionable. However, in my opinion, there have been some significant improvements in critical areas off of the field that will pay dividends down the road. These improvements will be expedited in the event a few coaches are replaced with more capable ones (Cosh), and maybe some of the older coaches can be replaced for those that are hungry and looking for a chance to make a name for themselves out on the recruiting trail (Miller, Latimore).
Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy
by Panjandrum on Nov 23, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The most telling thing about Kitchen's article
is the fact that we have one (count it, 1) win over a team with a winning record (UCF).
oh hail the Purple and White
As was the case...
last year. Of course I am not counting 1-AA teams here, but we won over a 7-6 ISU team. Next best win of 2009? Probably over 6-7 Texas A&M. So I still think this is in the wash/slight advantage 2010 team considering UCF currently sits at 8-3.
Its 50-50
My reaction to Kitchen’s article was, at first, that he nailed a lot of things head-on. The run defense is an abject disaster, depth is of particular issue, playmakers are lacking, offensive play-calling has been strange at times, and the QB situation is in need of vast improvement if this program wants to ever challenge for the upper echelon of the Big-12. And frankly, losing to Colorado in the last match-up between the two schools is a disgrace.
But Kitchen seems to act as if a bowl game – because they are so common and accessible now for mediocre teams – is not an accomplishment. I disagree; would we rather have K-State working on four consecutive non-bowl seasons and six out of the past seven? I’m sorry, but perhaps fans are viewing things from a 1990s-early 2000s prism when winning seasons and bowl bids were something to be expected (which goes to show how staggering Bill Snyder’s accomplishments were in his first go ‘round).
Before the season started I thought 6-6 and a bowl would be a reasonable accomplishment considering the lack of size and depth on the defensive line, the clear lack of talent at QB, the lack of athleticism at linebacker, the loss of Brandon Banks’ return skills and the inexperience of the receiving corps. If we win on Saturday and hit 7-5 it may seem a disappointing season overall, but in perspective it is a (small) step forward. Our problems roster-wise will take time to fix, but I like what we bring back next year factored with Bryce and Arthur Brown becoming eligible for action.
A bowl gives us extra practice, more to sell to recruits, takes the onus of not being in bowls recently off the program’s back and gives it something to build on. Nothing shameful in that – even if we end up in the Pinstripe bowl and lose to a lousy Big Least team. At least I’ll be there to watch in person.
Poor Stan Parrish
the coach who preceded Snyder fired by Ball State today. The guy just isn’t a head coach.
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation
oh hail the Purple and White
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