Each of them made mistakes, but I don’t think it had anything to do with rhythm because they both did some good things. I’ll have to watch game tapes, but if we have to switch them out we will.
Head Coach Bill Snyder, grasping for a reason to continue playing the woefully inadequate Carson Coffman alongside Collin Klein.
Yeah, Coffman's "mistakes" led to a huge momentum swing. Klein's led to a burnt timeout.
I think I'm going to be sick.
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Sickeningly sad, but true.
And it makes Rally Kitten VERY sad.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 13, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
Was there
at the game today and I must say there are many times I wanted to ask the police to check if Synder was drunk!!! I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND!!! But thats why I am on a message board and not getting paid the big bucks…
I thought both QB’s did good and bad things today…. I feel like its still a coin flip.
One QBs "bad things" resulted in points off the board for us, and/or points ON the board for them.
The other’s “bad things” resulted in a burned timeout. Do you want to guess which is which? :)
In other words, I don’t think it’s “still a coin flip” as to who should be the starter, but you’re probably right as far as who will be the starter. Coach Snyder just can’t seem to quit Coffman for some reason.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 5:29 AM CST up reply actions
The team was clearly moving better when Klein was in
I think if he had a better arm the move would have already been made permanently. Coffman seems to do everything a step too slow in my opinion but that could be just me.
It's not just you, Stram, it's reality.
Also, it’s not that Klein doesn’t have the better arm. He does. Coach Snyder is just scared Klein might make wrong decisions, throw interceptions, and/or not “get us in a good play” as he likes to pretend Coffman does.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 5:32 AM CST up reply actions
If you can't tell
I’m even MORE pissed after a night sleeping on this loss than I was right after the game. Completely unnecessary loss.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 5:33 AM CST reply actions
Sleep
didnt help me either! All it made me do was worry more about CO in 6 days!!
Unless Coach gets off the Coffman horse, we're going to lose.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
We Owe One Turnover
To the left tackle. They should have blown the whistle for “Unabated To The Quarterback”, but if you don’t jump offside, they can’t very well do that. Coffman should have left that guy know about it on the sideline.
If I'd known I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself.
I guess my whole point is that Coffman shouldn't have been IN there to take that hit and fumble the ball.
Not that it wasn’t on the LT, but if Coffman’s not in there, I’d be willing to bet that we’d have been rolling Klein out, shifting the pocket, making the point moot.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 7:15 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently everyone sees what we on this board do
judging by Kevin Haskin’s column.
It's so frustrating to see Coach Snyder try to create an equivalence between their mistakes.
It’s really quite simple: Coffman’s mistakes cost us the game. Klein’s mistake cost us a timeout.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
What frustrated me more than anything
was that ridiculous goal-line play before the end of the half. As I mentioned about 10 times on yesterday’s game post, WHY wasn’t Klein in the game since the refs had to review the call giving them time to substitute? WHY wasn’t it a simple QB sneak called (to Klein of course)? WHY after having all that time to come up with a play, did the QB have to stare at the sidelines for 25 seconds to get the call? And most importantly, who on earth decided to call – yet another – option with Coffman (Coffman!!!!) handling the ball???? If Coffman was the preferred coaches choice to be in there, and you have 22 seconds on the clock and no timeouts left, then the only logical call would be a play-action fake to DT up the middle with a boot pass to the tight end (Tannehill, not McDonald since he has hands of pure wood). If the play is snuffed out you tell Coffman to throw it away, bring the kicking unit on the field, get the field goal and take the points. Simple.
The entire episode reeked of horse$hit, should never have happened, and more than any other play or series of play cost the ‘Cats a shot at that game. Not saying they would have won, but it would have been more competitive instead of us having to get slop points at the end to make the game appear closer than it really was. What a clusterfck.
Snyder and the staff need to look in the mirror after this one, because it hangs on the coaches. I’m still stupefied that the choice is to muck up the tempo of the offense with dual QBs, and that Coffman got the nod based on little other tangible reasoning than he is a “game manager” at QB for a team with a very leaky defense. You go with a game manager at QB when you have a jackhammer defense like the 2000 Baltimore Ravens that can actually score points for you, flawless special teams, and a consistently strong running game. Ain’t the case with this team.
Preach on, brother.
So sick of 14 I could scream! Yet over and over and over the coaches run him out there, as he completely spares us to death.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Nov 14, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Okay having thought about it...
Having time to reflect I believe that we were going to run the sprint option on the fumbled play. Why? Because if you run it to the boundary but don’t get in you can step out of bounds and stop the clock. Thus giving your team at least one if not two plays to try and score. If you run the sneak and don’t get in you run the risk of letting the clock run out at the half. Now having said that, why on earth Klein was not in to run that play is beyond me. If Coffman was not trying to throw to the TE or fake and then to a backside WR he should have been watching from the sideline. Because Klein will see the hole and cut inside or pitch it outside to DT and score there I would say 90% of the time. As you may recall we went for a QB sneak on 4th and 1 at one point and gained almost four yards. That one play pretty much personified the whole game experience in a nutshell. And for me it was just one of many Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moments as a K-State fan.
It isn't a question of "if" they were going to run the option,
they WERE going to run the option on that play. And, while technically you are correct, there are assumptions to be made that we would get the play out of bounds because A) the QB would have to read pitch almost immediately if there wasn’t a clean alley for him into the end zone, and B) DTrain would have to see there was zero chance of scoring right away and race to the sideline without a corner coming up. All quite possible of course, but if – and only if – Klein had been in the game at QB.
Also, while on the subject of the option: Where is the option freeze pass in our playbook? Teams like Syracuse used to run it so well back in the day, which is where the QB takes a few steps down the line as if running an option, then stops, drops back a step and hits a receiver who first fakes the block and then finds an open space in the defense to sit down in?
So let us review:
1) It was a nonsense call since Coffman was in there and Klein was not
and
2) It was a wide side option, giving the defense more time to react and string out the play. Maybe the coaches thought they were outsmarting Mizzou by finally calling a wide side option – since they beat the short side option to death – but you still have Crazy Legs Coffman trying to get around the D-end and/or reading pitch almost immediately and giving the defense time to react to DTrain running wide.
Just mind-boggling what was going through their minds on the sideline. Did they think having Coffman in there would lull the Mizzou defense to sleep regarding a wide-side option? No other possible explanation comes to mind. Help me here…
About Audibles
Mind Boggling!
As has been pointed about above, the play call was incredible, but the fact that there was in essence a timeout with the booth review, and Coffman comes out and is looking back at the sideline to see what to do, is the most incredible thing of all. As great a coach as Coach Snyder is, I have watched the delay of game penalties and audibles, and having our O-Line sit there in their 3 point stance for 20 seconds (getting tense) for 21 (-3) years now.
All right, I will go here, even though I probably shouldn’t. There is a certain former NFL QB who is in the K-State hall of fame. I used to play a lot of golf with him. In the late 90s I asked him, "what’s the deal with all the delay of game penalties, running the play clock to 1 second, the disorganization." Now, this former QB would not criticize coach Snyder AT ALL (so these comments should not be construed as criticism). But he explained to me the following: there are two theories about an audible. 1. Audible to get into the perfect play (which, he said, KSU was doing, and he said that puts a lot of pressure on the QB). 2. Audible only to get out of a really bad play. He said when he played (at the college level, not the NFL), in every game they had 3 or 4 plays that could be audibled into that were designed to prevent a really bad play from happening, AND THOSE WERE THE ONLY PLAYS THAT WOULD BE USED FOR AN AUDIBLE in that game. Goal being, prevent a BAD play. Snyder’s theory is use the whole play book, get into the perfect play. Lot’s of pressure on a QB and a bunch of kids with that theory. If you follow the second theory, you say to your team, "let’s go up to the line of scrimmage, run OUR frickin play, and knock the snot out of them." Just some food for thought, but I’m sick of the terrible clock management. That time out in the second half (or was it the first?), where we came out and then tried to draw them off side only to take a delay of game (thus wasting a timeout) and the play at the end of the first half, was more than I could stomach. And I am still miffed about the 4 wideouts on the 4th and 1.5 on the first drive in the NU game. I think our season (or at least our O Line play) may have been a lot different if Coach had said "we are a power running team – go knock the snot out of them!" But no, we rely on crazy legs Coffman on a slide option.
oh hail the Purple and White
Thanks for that, Furnace
Interesting bit you added, and I believe you are quite right because it places a lot of mental burden on a QB. I’ve often been of the belief the audible should only be used to get out of a bad play and be restricted to only a few options, at least at the collegiate level. Unless of course you have a Peyton Manning who can dissect a defense at the line of scrimmage and exploit a weakness he sees (and we clearly do not have one of those at QB).
I, too, think that 4-and-1 call against Nebraska on the opening drive was ridiculous. Fine if you have Jamelle Holliway or Darian Hagan at QB, not so good if you have Crazy Legs Coffman. Didn’t have a problem with KState going for it – just the play-call itself.
by CT-K-Stater on Nov 15, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
The ultimate Coffman apologist here
And I can’t even begin to conjure up any more excuses for letting him play. Klein was clearly the better option yesterday. I thought for a moment we might see some UCF Coffman at the end of the first half, but then OSU Coffman trotted out instead and fumbled the snap.
That’s it, Coffman, I’m finished defending you. Snyder may not be able to quit you, but I sure can.
Forward into Battle
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