Of Bloggers and Bias
A lot of you have probably seen this already, but if you haven't, Jack Harry of Kansas City's NBC Action News unequivocally stated in his "Jack's Smack" segment this week that KU should drop its football program. That's right, if you watch the video, he doesn't state his opinion as a joke, or satire, or anything other than his strongly held belief that KU should drop football. If he was joking, he has a poker face that's incredible. I couldn't even keep a straight face watching it.
Now granted, KU is awful on a pretty grand scale this year in football. They lost to an FCS team, and in three games against middling Big 12 competition -- Baylor, K-State and Texas A&M -- they're losing by an average of 45 points per game. Still, one (really) bad season is no reason to drop football. K-State was terrible at football for more than 100 years, and they didn't drop it. Well, OK, they considered it, but they knew that dropping football would mean losing their Big 8 membership. Even assuming KU's administrators have considered dropping football -- and assuredly they have not -- they would certainly realize they would be dropped by the Big 12, realize it would be the end of the sport that makes the real money in college athletics, and would be the end of their cherished basketball program as a result.
So no, nobody with the capacity to reason is suggesting KU actually should drop football. But maybe Harry was just being facetious, or took the opportunity as a fan of Missouri to stick the needle in KU at a time when the 'beaks are vulnerable. Regardless of the explanation, there's a major problem with it.
Jack Harry is a member of the traditional media.
That's right, Harry is one of those held to a higher standard, who holds the keys to the most important sports information of the day, who keeps you, the fan, informed. He's the sports anchor for one of the major news outlets in Kansas City. He's supposed to be an objective, unbiased, well-informed journalist.
Only he's clearly not. If he really thinks KU should drop football, he's on the losing end of the argument no matter how you spin it. Thanks to a couple appointments today, I had occasion to be driving around town and caught a little of Kevin Keitzman's "Between the Lines" on 810 WHB. Keitzman played Harry's diatribe, and went on to ridicule Harry's opinion, which should make for interesting radio tomorrow when Harry makes his weekly appearance on Keitzman's show. Which may have been the reason Keitzman even mentioned it.
Anyway, Keitzman clearly has the winning side of this argument, as does anybody with a functioning human brain. However, Keitzman then went on to make a curious point. He noted that Harry's rant was posted on the Internet and, as such, maybe it was held to a different standard from what would be required of Harry were he actually on NBC's broadcast. To illustrate, he pointed out that the Internet is filled with "all these bloggers" who cover specific teams, and are therefore biased toward those teams. Keitzman then went on to claim that he is different, because he tries to be "fair-minded" in his coverage of all teams.
That's right. One of the interesting dichotomies that I've noticed over the years is that sports-talk radio personalities, while all avowed fans of a certain team, like to pretend that they have some switch that allows them to turn off their bias and see things objectively. So Keitzman, a known K-State fan, Stephen St. John, a Missouri diehard, and Nate Bukaty, who is actually employed by KU as a sideline radio reporter, are imbued by their training as journalists with objectivity glasses that they put on when they need to do so.
There are several problems with all of this. First of all, if Harry is truly the objective, unbiased, neutral reporter that he claims to be, then no matter the medium he deals in, he should be required to maintain that stance. Tim Fitzgerald of GoPowercat.com made a similar point in the panel discussion of the media's conference realignment coverage in which I participated, when he pointed out that reporters seem to be using Twitter as an outlet to distribute information that they haven't vetted for truthfulness. When you're a reporter, and you are regarded by your news consumers as a legitimate news source, you don't get to turn that on and off, regardless of the medium by which you convey information.
Now granted, Harry wasn't conveying a news story, but rather was doing the broadcast equivalent of a newspaper's opinion column. Except this, in combination with ESPN's continued employment of Mark May, Lee Corso and Lou Holtz, should put to rest the "they're on TV, so they must know something" notion. And that's really the point. Keitzman claims that bloggers who cover a specific sports team are biased, at least in part because their stuff is on the Internet, whereas he and the other sports radio journalists are "fair-minded" in their coverage of every team.
Herein lies the problem with this line of thinking. I consider myself fair-minded in my evaluation of the facts that I encounter, whether they involve K-State, another Big 12 school, the Big 12 in general, or any other issue. That's not to say I don't have my biases. I'm a K-State fan first, I despise KU, think a lot of Nebraska fans have a warped view of themselves, and hold a host of other opinions derived from my following of sports. Whenever I set forth an opinion, I try to use facts and arguments to back it up. So do the guys on the radio, whoever they may be, and yet we're biased bloggers and they're an objective source of news that is fair-minded in the opinions they deliver on that news.
Funny thing is, we never claimed to be a news site. I found another line of work to go into, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy discussing K-State sports. And thanks to the excellent reporting of beat reporters like Austin Meek, we get information about K-State sports to discuss on this site. It's essentially what a sports columnist or sports radio host does, but their opinions and insight are apparently entitled to more credibility because they can go to the press conferences, even if they don't always do so.
The sports blogging world is an interesting place. It's a place where a lot of voices are out there, but only those that are interesting in some manner develop a following. If I were merely a purple-slanted, see-no-evil K-State shill, this blog's following would be even smaller than it is, and it wouldn't be the following I want. Moreover, my opinions would be shredded by outsiders and more rational Wildcat fans. I want readers, and interaction with readers, who fairly evaluate the known information and make sound arguments in favor of their opinions. Differences of opinion are fine, and we don't shout down people just because we disagree. And we have an advantage over TV, radio and newspapers in that we have almost unlimited space to express those ideas. No air time or column inch restraints here. I'd like to think we have done a good job of following K-State pretty objectively here. It was almost a point of pride for me that our BOTC Twitter was publicly unfollowed by someone who was put off by the negative tone of some of my tweets on Saturday.
Alas, perhaps Harry was engaging in a bit of shock jockery, presenting an outrageous opinion in the hopes that it would drive some page views. Toward that end, he undoubtedly succeeded, as I'm guessing his video has been linked on every K-State, Missouri and KU message board that exists. But at what price are you willing to sell your intellectual honesty? Again, if Harry really believes what he said, then he isn't being intellectually dishonest; he's just presenting a stupid opinion. But if he doesn't believe it and just said it to get attention, then can we really take him seriously as a journalist (assuming we did in the first place)? Neither alternative is appealing.
Think back to this summer, when I wrote my "Guide to Nebraska Fans" for the Huskers' new Big 10 colleagues. It was linked on quite a few Husker sites and drove a ton of traffic to BOTC. But I didn't write it just to get a reaction. I wrote it in reaction to the PDA that was occurring on Corn Nation between Big 10 fans and Husker fans ("ohh, Nebraska, I love you so much, you're so wonderful...mmmm, I love you, too, random Indiana fan, we were just meant to be!") Furthermore, everything that I put in that post is based on my observations of Husker fans in real life, not to mention that most, if not all, of the characterizations were borne out in the 500+ comments on the post. The bottom line is I didn't, and wouldn't, write a piece like that just to be a jerk and drive traffic to BOTC. I wrote it in response to the actual Husker-Big 10 lovefest and because it was factually accurate.
But I'm just a biased blogger who can't possibly have valid insight into any sports issue, so what do I know?
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Great stuff, TB.
I think you touched on something that reflects my general philosophy on the matter: No matter what the medium, no matter the name, no matter the brand, consider the source.
Every single journalist at every single outlet is no different than any blogger in one very specific way: It is up to the consumer to determine what is valid and trustworthy. There are good blogs and bad blogs. There are good journalists and bad journalists. Just because Jack Harry has a press pass shouldn’t protect him the need for consumer to be media literate and properly evaluate the value of his statements. The same goes for the other names (May, Holtz, etc.) you mentioned.
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Thanks, RPT
And very well stated. One thing I didn’t include was that calling all bloggers biased is like calling all fans of [insert school here] jerks. It’s so obviously not true it should be laughable, yet both myths persist in some corners.
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One thing I didn’t include was that calling all bloggers biased is like calling all fans of [insert school here] jerks.
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Good Article
I was listening today also to Kietzmans show and heard Jack Harry’s rant but missed the part about Kietzman talking about bloggers. Good article about it and opinion pretty much in full agreement with ya.
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It's sort of funny.
Everyone who addresses the mainstream vs. blogger discussion seems to paint it as a professional vs. amateur thing, but I’ve always seen it differently:
The difference between Jack Harry and you is the difference between a system administrator who has a computer science degree and a system administrator who started out doing tech support with a high school diploma. It’s the difference between an investment banker with a finance degree, and an investment banker who started out cold-calling people from a sales floor. It is, in short, the difference between any two people in a profession where a degree is not a requirement to even be legally allowed to do the job.
There is no board of certification which grants journalists authorization to practice journalism. There is no mandatory annual continuing education requirement, no regulatory oversight, no nothing. Frankly, to the consumer the only thing a journalist (be it a “professional” or a blogger) has to offer is integrity and truth. Personally, I’m sick to death of the idea that just because someone is actually paying to report (or has done so in the past), as most bloggers do, somehow automatically has less credibility than someone who’s getting paid to do it.
Most especially someone who’s getting paid to drive a narrative by organizations with a perfectly clear agenda who pretend they don’t have one. Pretty much any one of us has more integrity than a randomly-selected ESPN employee for that reason. (I don’t mean to impugn any ESPN employee’s personal integrity; frankly, I don’t even consider them “sports journalists” anymore. They’re entertainers. Shit, the ESPN personalities with the highest level of professional integrity these days? The bloggers, and even they have to dance to the beat lest they end up getting Whelistoned.
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by jonfmorse on Oct 26, 2010 11:00 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
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I like the comparison.
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what he said.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 27, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I may be totally out of it,
but what does “getting Whelistoned” mean?
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Kyle Wheliston
is the guy behind midmajority.com. He used to blog for ESPN. They pointedly reduced his exposure (and pay) in the middle of basketball season a few years ago, and he posted a brilliant essay on his own blog about what the fact that they had felt the need to do this meant in terms of the over-saturation of sports coverage in today’s America, and they turned around and fired him for it.
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interesting
A long time ago in a Poli-sci class we learned by analyzing media, specifically papers, that different papers have different views. Or said another way, presenting information induces a bias regardless. Pravda was always entertaining when compared to other papers 8-).
Even the supposedly objective science is a myth as shown by a couple of research papers.
Journalists have a point of view, and they can claim they are objective, but why are the different than anyone else in inducing bias?
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 27, 2010 6:05 AM CDT reply actions
Exactly
Everyone is biased. The best thing you can do is be aware of your biases and transparent about them.
I think some people can be
But most who claim to be are not.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 27, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Old media is scared.
Whether it be news, sports, etc. old media is struggling to stay relevant. Aspersions are continually thrown at “bloggers” in an attempt to minimize their message. The machinery that is old media has never adapted to the internet, mobile phones, etc. in a way which takes advantage of the media in order to increase their revenue stream.
So while “bloggers” and their respective sites gain in following, news outlets and other traditional sources of information are becoming increasingly irrelevant. This is what fuels their ire and disdain for BOTC and other similar sites. After all, most of us did not go to Journalism school so how on earth would we know how to convey information to a prospective reader?
In terms of having an opinion, there is really no difference between traditional journalists and the so-called “bloggers”. Both are subject to bias and both write from a certain point of view either to convey a message or create discourse. Neither methodology is better than the other in terms of newsworthiness as long as both outlets provide a sense of integrity in the process. Ultimately the consumer will decide what is best for his/her needs. It just so happens that new media is currently winning the battle.
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I don't think so
I think PJ was complimenting your writing for how well you stated the conflict between old and new media sources.
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Correct. Because I have no formal training, I can only hope to be as talented and informative as some of the traditional media one day.
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by Panjandrum on Oct 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great Article TB
While I love the fact that KU is doing so horribly this year that discussions of dropping their football program are out there, it is completely asinine to for anyone to actually consider dropping KU’s football program. While I think their Orange Bowl run was actually a product of favorable scheduling and other programs having a down year, it doesn’t change the fact that KU was a decent to above average team at times during the last five years.
Really liked the piece man, keep it up.
Well, yeah, but it would have been much funnier...
if he held a piece of paper in front of him that said, “Just Kidding,” written sloppily with a Sharpe while he said it.
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I suddenly had a recollection of the Chiefs radio announcer...
pitching “going over to Captain D’s”. And no I am not talking Mitch Holthus.
Yep
And he also kept alive the claim that, because it was on the Internet, it was somehow different.
Someone is going to have to explain to me how the Internet magically changes these people into something other than what they claim to be.
Frankly, what Harry’s explanation today showed me was that he’s the last person on earth (or close to it) I’d want to have a beer and discuss sports with. He explained that it’s called “Jack’s Smack” because it’s smack-talk, which he explained as being the equivalent of bar talk with friends. I can tell you that if I were a KU fan, and Harry were my friend, and we were having a beer at the bar and talking sports, and he offered me that opinion in the way he expressed it, I would have considered it the most ridiculous thing that had ever come out of his mouth. Ask any comedian, the funniest material out there has a basis in reality. Harry’s diatribe had no basis in reality. No rational person actually believes that KU is going to drop football. He was making a point (KU sucks at football) in the most over-the-top method imaginable, and I found it distinctly unentertaining. I would never have even bothered mentioning it on the blog were it not for the fact that Keitzman made the comments that he did.
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Disclaimer: I'm a KU fan
I can tell you that if I were a KU fan, and Harry were my friend, and we were having a beer at the bar and talking sports, and he offered me that opinion in the way he expressed it, I would have considered it the most ridiculous thing that had ever come out of his mouth.
But I think any intelligent fan that wants to have an intelligent discussion would have done what you describe here.
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Good stuff, TB
I actually think bloggers in general are better journalists than so so-called mainstream media, simply because they usually present their bias right up front. I have seen a lot more coherent and intelligent writing on blogs than I ever have in newspapers. Compare Oklahoma’s Barry Trammel to EDSBS’ Orson Swindle/Spencer Hall, for example; it is no contest.
I had a guy at work ask me questions about my blog, he wanted to know if I went to press conferences and covered games live. I explained that while that is an option for me, I don’t particularly want to be a sportswriter. I don’t want to report the news, I want to be a blogger and give my opinion on the news.
In a lot of ways, I think blogs are superior to old mainstream media outlets, simply because you get more Xs and Os coverage on the football and basketball blogs, for example, than you ever would in a newspaper. Just because someone went and earned a Journalism degree doesn’t mean they know a damn thing about football, a harsh reality many people are seeing now that they are online and reading superior coverage of their favorite teams on blogs.
To be fair...
…compare any writer to Spencer Hall, and it’s no contest.
Actually, I take that back. If it’s T. Kyle King, then it’s a contest.
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by TB on Oct 27, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What happens if the new media kills the old media?
What will you talk about if there aren’t dedicated reporters following your team to give you the tidbit that WR X looked like crap in practice and now Y is moving up, or that there were arguments between coaches after the game? I remember seeing an article about how the new media still needs the old media, because all the new media does is dissect what the old media puts out there.
Fire Chris Cosh!
That's a point I was going to make
As much as “old media” is hurting right now, the function of beat reporters is never going to be replaced. It may change in ways we can’t anticipate yet, but the actual news-reporting function will never go away.
However, the notion that people know something, or have an informed opinion merely because they’re on the radio, or on TV, or (to a lesser extent) in the newspaper, is quickly dying away, as evidence by the popularity of blogs. When I want to read the facts about what happened, I go to the (online) newspaper. But when I want to get an informed opinion about a current issue with UT, I turn to Peter Bean, not Kirk Bohls. When I see that T. Kyle King has a new post about an issue that is of interest to me, I read it because I know it will be eloquently written and, even if I don’t agree, I’ll have to think long and hard about why I disagree. When I want to laugh about anything, it’s off to Black Heart Gold Pants I go. It’s clear that informed opinion and entertaining writing is not limited to the traditional media. Actual news reporting is clearly their hallmark, but the analysis, discussion and entertainment associated with it is no longer exclusively theirs. And when I want to analyze upcoming matchups using statistical measures that will one day be to football what WHIP and WAR are to baseball, I read Bill’s posts at Rock M Nation. Back before the advent of blogs, Bean, King, BHGP, Bill, and many others would have been entertaining only to their friends. Now they’re entertaining to thousands of people each day.
And that’s a good thing.
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point of order
The old media does not necessarily report the facts and only the facts. And they can be (are?) very selective about what is reported as facts.
Such that any and all news stories should be considered w/ the proverbial grain of salt and not as the authoritative source.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 28, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
As they should be
They should be selective about what is reported as facts, namely that facts really are facts before being reported.
There is a misconception that in order to be true you have to present both sides of an issue as legitimate. Nope, if one side is promoting an idea/theory that is not based on fact, you have an obligation to point that out.
What would you propose is the authoritative source, then? Since we can not be present at any given news event, we can only read about it after the fact.
I personally would like to see more AP style reporting from the “old media”. Either that, or the “new media” is going to have to start fulfilling that function. There has to be some source for bland, opinion-less statements of fact, so we can decided if we like the opinions that we are reading, and more importantly, develop opinions of our own.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 28, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe
Maybe there is no such thing as an authoritative source that represents all the information available.
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by Anon_the_younger on Oct 28, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Not one source
But there are several sources depending on what info you are looking for.
And if there isn’t, well, then I think we are in trouble. Because how can anyone make any informed decisions or form reasonable opinions without being informed of the facts?
I guess it isn’t as important in something like sports, but when it comes to other news matters, there needs to be someplace you can go to get straight non-opinionated information.
And for the record, I know many people who are vehemently anti-opinion. They would be fully capable of reporting facts without introducing their own bias. Unfortunately, they are not reporters or in the journalism field in any way.
I am not one of those people, btw :)
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 28, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No offense
but you’ve got this watchdog (ish) shit down. Calling bullshit and then backing it up with logic isn’t an easy thing to do but you nail it here and do it often.
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