KICKING THE TIRES: Baylor University
by BracketCat on Oct 23, 2010 12:00 AM CDT
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No. 22 Kansas State Wildcats (5-1 | 2-1) AT Baylor Bears (5-2 | 2-1)
The Battle for Bowl Eligibility
Floyd Casey Stadium — Waco, Texas
Saturday, Oct. 23, 2010 — 2:35 PM CST
No TV
The Wildcats journey more than two hours away from Manhattan for the first time this season to take on the Fighting Griffins of Baylor (in addition to Robert Griffin III, there's offensive lineman Robert T. Griffin).
I wish I could say I have a good feeling about this one, but after what we saw against Nebraska, it's hard to be too optimistic any time we face a dual-threat quarterback.
Nevertheless, I'll try to point out some reasons for hope after the jump.
Key Players
K-State
Passing
Carson Coffman (75 of 114, 914 yards, 8 TD, 3 INT)
Receiving
Aubrey Quarles (18 catches, 244 yards, 2 TD)
Rushing
Daniel Thomas (145 carries, 782 yards, 7 TD)
Wild Cards
David Garrett (37 tackles, 5.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 1 INT, 3 PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR)
Brandon Harold (29 tackles, 6 TFL, 2 sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 1 FR)
Alex Hrebec (57 tackles, 1 TFL, 6 PBU)
William Powell (20 carries, 214 yards, 2 TD, 31.5 yards per KR)
Terrance Sweeney (20 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 INT, 8 PBU, 1 FF)
Tramaine Thompson (15 catches, 212 yards)
Baylor
Passing
Robert Griffin III (154 of 232, 1,969 yards, 14 TD, 3 INT; 70 carries, 376 yards, 6 TD)
Receiving
Kendall Wright (40 catches, 535 yards, 3 TD)
Rushing
Jay Finley (79 carries, 447 yards, 3 TD)
Wild Cards
Josh Gordon (19 carries, 423 yards, 5 TD)
Byron Landor (60 tackles, 2 TFL. 1 INT, 3 PBU, 1 FF, 2 FR)
Tevin Elliot (21 tackles, 8 TFL, 5 sacks, 2 PBU, 1 FF)
Tevin Reese (27 catches, 250 yards)
Chris Francis (47 tackles, 0.5 TFL)
Key Stats
Rushing Offense
K-State (16 | +10) > Baylor (36)
Passing Offense
Baylor (13) > K-State (102 | +5)
Total Offense
Baylor (8) > K-State (59 | +10)
Scoring Offense
Baylor (32) > K-State (37 | +30)
Rushing Defense
Baylor (72) > K-State (115 | +1)
Pass Efficiency Defense
K-State (9 | +5) > Baylor (50)
Total Defense
Baylor (80) > K-State (81 | +1)
Scoring Defense
Baylor (38) > K-State (49 | +17)
Net Punting
K-State (27 | +5) > Baylor (51)
Punt Returns
Baylor (63) > K-State (68 | +19)
Kickoff Returns
K-State (3 | +1) > Baylor (58)
Turnover Margin
Baylor (30) > K-State (35 | +13)
Pass Defense
K-State (12 | -4) > Baylor (79)
Passing Efficiency
Baylor (21) > K-State (27 | +17)
Analysis
The numbers validate that K-State faces a tough challenge today, even if the name "Baylor" still carries a stigma.
The Bears are ranked second in the Big 12 in total offense, third in rushing offense and fifth in passing offense.
Their quarterback, Robert Griffin III, leads the conference in both passing and total offensive yards, and by a pretty healthy margin, too, surprisingly enough.
But for all that, there are some significant flaws in their game. Baylor is dependent on the big play and not particularly efficient in the red zone. If K-State can force the Bears to execute long, sustained drives, our odds of holding them to field goals and/or no points increase dramatically.
As for the fears that Griffin will run roughshod over our defense, I think they're slightly overblown. He certainly is a threat to run at any time, but he has transformed himself into a pass-first, pass-second, run-third QB. I liken him more to a more polished Jeffrey Godfrey than I do a better-throwing version of Taylor Martinez.
Besides, although K-State still has distinct talent problems, we saw a much better-coached team in Lawrence. Griffin won't have the kind of lanes to run through that Martinez enjoyed.
As for the K-State offense versus the Baylor defense, here is where the true positivity shines. Although Baylor clearly is better than KU, Daniel Thomas still should be able to have a field day against a not overly talented Bears defense.
Basically, they're UCF with slightly less overall speed. The two teams are pretty even on total defense, and if our defensive performances are anything to go by, than there should be places we can exploit them with a similar game plan to the one we used against KU.
Both teams are pretty comparable in turnover margin and punt returns, so it's hard to point to either being an advantage for either side. But K-State has a huge advantage with William Powell in the kicking game — Baylor has kicked very few touchbacks this season. That could lead to a favorable field-position game like we had last week.
I like K-State's chances to keep it close and win it in the fourth quarter and I don't particularly fear Baylor's home crowd. But I can't help but shake the nagging feeling that we don't match up well in this one and that our first real venture outside the state will lead to unexpected difficulties. I'm expecting a loss, but hoping for a win.
Prediction: Baylor 21, Kansas State 17
BracketCat's Projected Starters
QB: Carson Coffman
FB: Braden Wilson
RB: Daniel Thomas
WR: Chris Harper, Aubrey Quarles, Tramaine Thompson
TE: Travis Tannahill
OL: Manase Foketi, Zach Kendall, Wade Weibert, Kenneth Mayfield, Clyde Aufner
DL: Antonio Felder, Raphael Guidry, Prizell Brown, Brandon Harold
LB: Jarell Childs, Alex Hrebec
DB: David Garrett, Stephen Harrison, Ty Zimmerman, Tysyn Hartman, Terrance Sweeney
KOS: Anthony Cantele
PK: Josh Cherry
P: Ryan Doerr
KR: William Powell
PR: Tramaine Thompson
Elsewhere in the Big 12...
I think Texas will have a bit of a letdown after that performance last week, but luckily, they're playing the one opponent (other than KU) in this conference that you can afford to have a letdown against. Texas hasn't lost to Iowa State yet and I don't look for that to change today.
The Colorado-Texas Tech game is a real toss-up and could end up becoming a "dumb-off" between two coaches who don't impress me too much. Expect an ugly game and be thankful it's not on TV. I'll give a slight nod to CU for having home-field advantage (LOL) and a four-year head-start on Tommy Tuberville's program.
I'll go ahead and call it: Both Missouri and Oklahoma State will squeak out narrow home upsets over the "powers" of the conference, signaling a new pecking order as we head into the new 10-team conference.
Mizzou finally has the defense to beat the likes of Oklahoma and Texas, while Nebraska's red-zone defense is surprisingly crappy this season. That's not good news for the Huskers as they venture on the road to face the No. 2 red-zone offense in the nation, in its home stadium.
Speaking of dumb-offs, the game in Lawrence should be a dandy. I'm hoping that FSN broadcasts the game with a Yakity Sax soundtrack to accentuate the hilarious turnovers, coaching gaffes and other assorted idiocies that will pepper Memorial Stadium all night long. Should be a fun time for all but the fans of the two teams.
Iowa State at #19 Texas (FSN)
Longhorns 27, Cyclones 15
Texas Tech at Colorado
Buffaloes 27, Red Raiders 21
#16 Nebraska at #14 Oklahoma State (ABC)
Cowboys 14, Cornhuskers 13
Texas A&M at Kansas (FSN)
Aggies 38, Jayhawks 22
#1 Oklahoma at #11 Missouri (ABC)
Tigers 9, Sooners 7
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Go Cats, and good luck Carson
let’s try to accept that the old guy has decided we are best off with Carson as our QB and try not to act like Husker fans in baggin on the kid.
Key game today. Let’s get the POSITIVE VIBES gonin and “we gonna win.”
oh hail the Purple and White
Go Tiggers, Pokes, Cats, Clones, and turnovers (for the A&M vs KU farce)
I really couldn’t care less about the TiTies vs the Beefalos. I like your description of a ‘dumb-off’.
Do you suppose it is possible for a TV broadcast to have a negative rating? As in the show (in this case KU vs A&M) actually drives people away to watch other things? If it is possible, I think we’ll ‘see’ (well, not see) it tonight.
I think Baylor is going to abuse the KSU defense up and down the field for 4 quarters. DT and Coffman will be able to get yards, but it won’t matter – 38-27 Baylor.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Sean T
I like your realism. However, damn if I don’t keep having the thought “….but it’s still BAYLOR” run through my head every time I sit down to consider how this one might go.
I cannot for the life of me make up my mind here. I want to keep my blatant homerism and positivity alive, but our defense won’t allow for such at times. Basically, I’m not going to accept this as a loss until it happens, and you never know what will happen.
Proud Kansas State 2009 Graduate, KMAN Education Reporter.
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Thanks
I keep thinking “it’s still BAYLOR with probably the top QB in the conference”. That doesn’t instill any confidence in me sadly.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Well put....
However, I’m going to attempt to keep my cautious optimism alive and say KSU-20 Baylor 17.
I get the distinct feeling I’ll be incorrect, but that could just be last night’s beers talking. Damned tasty Big Sky Brewing Company Moose Drool Brown Ale!!!! shakes fist toward the heavens
Proud Kansas State 2009 Graduate, KMAN Education Reporter.
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Oh, Youth - stop with the NEGATIVE VIBES ALREADY!
When have the Bears abused anybody (except the Jayhawks)! This must be a psychological coping mechanism – keep the expectations low, and then you aren’t let down if the worst happens. But as a guy who has lived K-State football since 19frickin64, it AINT THE WAY TO GO! Be a HOMER!
The old guy has a plan. KSU 28; Baylor 20.
The Nubs are embarrased in Stillwater. EMAW
oh hail the Purple and White
Cyclones up on Horns, 2nd qtr, 14-3
The stars are out of allignment, I tell ya —
oh hail the Purple and White
The fact that this game isn't on TV
is embarrassing for the conference.
The fact that A&M/KU is on TV is cause for lethal injection for whoever made the decision.
In the end, I think I’ll be glad it isn’t on TV though. I’ve been saying since halftime of the NU game that RG3 was going to do the exact same thing that TM did (though, he isn’t as fast, he is bigger & can shred tackles as opposed to not getting touched).
Lock of the week. Baylor – 6 and the Over.
BOOM! ROASTED!
Any links for free audio of the game?
The kstatesports site says its free but it doesn’t look to be that way when you click. How could this game not be on tv!!
When the game thread goes up...
…there will be a link to KMAN’s site. They have free streaming audio.
We'll carry the banner high!
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Proud Kansas State 2009 Graduate, KMAN Education Reporter.
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In lieu of a game-thread
Go Clones! Awesome. Onside kick, great pick in the endzone to kill a very promising hamburger drive. Go Clones!
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
A few comments...
Sean T—my fellow (one time) expatriot—pretty much sees this game as I do. I definitely don’t see the Cats defense holding BU to less than 20. The Cat victory I could see would be more like 34-27 or so, but I just don’t see this defense being able to really shut down a really, really good QB. (“Prove me wrong, kids…Prove me wrong!”
How the hell can a Texas team be so awful on offense? And how can Gilbert complete 10 of 15 passes for—check this out—2.8 yards per attempt? Christ, they have to have at least one tall receiver who is a better athlete than anyone in the ISU secondary. And Gilbert has to be able to throw the ball at least as far as Carson can. Mack—just heave the fuckin’ ball downfield. It can’t get much worse than this.
Finally, so, so, so, so glad the Masoli bullshit didn’t pan out. Houston Nutt sold out his credibility for a 3-4 team (after today) and a star QB who’s throwing for 58 yards in the first half and being ineffective on the ground. Stats-wise, of course, this is a CC game. But the choice to try to ride Masoli seems to have completely derailed the Mississippi offense. Carson knows that he was never a Heisman contender and plays within himself. Masoli is the offense. And it sucks.
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by MrHappyMushroom on Oct 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
+1 mate, on all three points.
I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. - Gen. George S. Patton
Mostly agree,
but Masoli would probably have been a pretty good fit in Coach Snyder’s offense. We’ll never know, though, so we ride with Carson.
"Coaching a football team is the most engrossing thing in the world. It is playing chess with human pawns." --Walter Camp
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 24, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
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