Coach Snyder: Coffman Is Still Starting QB
I guess it will take losing to a terrible team like KU (and not just getting embarrassed by a good team) to finally bench Coffman for good. Man, I was really wanting to see Lamur or Klein get a shot this week!
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Did you see the kid from Missouri
come in and do a darn good job after Gabbert got hurt. All around the country there are teams with two good QBs, and Snyder hasn’t come up with ONE since Roberson left. I admire the old guy as much as anyone, but this thick play book thing is getting old, and after a while, there is some proof in the pudding. But I still trust him enough to get us to 8-4 this year, or maybe it is blind faith – who knows.
oh hail the Purple and White
Alan Everidge was pretty good
He led a ranked Wisconsin team his senior season. If Snyder had stayed around, or Prince hadn’t recruited Freeman, I think he would have developed nicely for us.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 12, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Everidge was good
my only frustration is it seems it takes kids so long to get to the point where the Coach is comfortable allowing the kid to run the offense. Because of that dynamic, I sometime wonder if the better athlete is on the bench. Nothing the “fan base” can do about it; that’s the way it is, and it ain’t gonna change.
oh hail the Purple and White
I liked Everidge, but
Freeman >>>>>>>> Everidge
It would have been nice to see how good we could have been if Josh had something of an offense (minus Jordy Nelson) to work with.
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I've always wondered how Freeman would have done for a year under Snyder.
Certainly could not have hurt his draft chances. And I believe K-State would have made a bowl.
I'm thinking we could have one probably no more than one more game last year - so yes a bowl.
Maybe two early in the year. We just didn’t have much of an offensive line or that good of a defense to beat the better teams.
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Well UCLA and UL-Lafayette come to mind right away. Perhaps Mizzou as well.
I even think he could have orchestrated a shoot-out with T-Tech. Also think of Freeman running the offense against NU last year. He would have been the down field threat we needed to compliment DT.
UL-LA for sure. That one shouldn't have been close.
And I think it’s a toss up between the UCLA and Nebraska games. May have helped, might have not.
Mizzou and Tech just absolutely destroyed us. With last year’s team, I don’t think Peyton Manning could win with that team.
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I disagree
Mizzou was in a mental shambles. Remember, they lost to BAYLOR at home just before the KSU game. I think that if Banks doesn’t fumble the damned ball for a touchback for them, and KSU gets up on Mizzou, I think their morale would have cracked.
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Freeman would never have played a down for Snyder, ever
too many turnovers; not “tough” enough; … unless Freeman toughened himself up as a redshirt freshman.
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Oh, come on now!
It’s absolutely SILLY to claim that Freeman wouldn’t have played for Coach Snyder. A talent like that doesn’t stay on the bench.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 13, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I was just saying that Everidge would have been good in reply to his comment that Coach Snyder had not recruited a good QB since Roberson.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 12, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what you're saying
but I don’t think Everidge was that big of a game changer. I’m not sure he would have been considered a good QB at K-State by Synder’s standards. Sure he was better than Schwin, Webb, Coffman, Gregory, and I think I’m forgetting someone…., but he’s way below the Bishops, Robersons, and Beasleys.
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So I suppose average?
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I don't know
Snyder could have coached him up. He did break the freshmen passing records…
which were subsequently broken by Freemen.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 12, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, not Smargiasso
Great athlete, not-so-great QB. I remember watching him in 1992 when I was at KSU and he was decidedly mediocre and often held the offense back (Eric Gallon carried it). Once the switch was made to Chad May in ’93 the rest was history. May is way too often overlooked in favor of BIshop and Roberson. Cocky though he was, he was an absolutely phenomenal college passer and totally elevated the offense and more than any other player allowed KSU to break through in 1993 and 1994 to legitimate power program. People forget that before Bishop, Beasley, Roberson, etc, Snyder relied more on the passing game and often used it to open up the running game (this reversed itself when Bishop came along). Snyder also inherited some decent QBs when he got to KSU in Carl Straw and Paul Watson and used them effectively.
Yes Smargiasso's career could be summed up with his loss to Utah State.
I was just trying to fill in the QB’s that Snyder has recruited during his tenure. If you remember Chad May threw for over 400+ on NU in Lincoln but we still lost. He was an excellent pocket passer but also had an alleged DUI problem.
Straw and Watson
are two of my favorite former K-Staters. May was an arrogant a-hole, whom I appreciated for what I did, but could never stand him. A guy I played football against in high school once laid him out in a bar. May walked in with some girl, and came up to where Jon was sitting with his girlfriend and another couple.
May just stood there, kind of glaring at Jon. Finally, May told him, “You’re in my booth.” Jon looked up at him, and then kept eating.
May then said something like, “Don’t you know who I am?” (This was his second year.) Jon looked up at him, then back down again.
“I’m Chad May! This is the Golden Arm! I’m gonna’ get paid!” Jon looked up him, then back down. May put his hand on Jon’s shoulder, and tried to get Jon to look up at him. Jon, who had been simmering with anger, exploded with a right jab to the chin, and May went down. I’m not sure what all happened after that (a buddy of mine who was there told me the story), but I know that everyone who heard it (even back then) thought Jon was a hero.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 12, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
That's interesting.
I had heard of this incident. I don’t think any charges were filed…mainly because May supposedly got his arse kicked…and the embarrassment to the program should it have gone public.
From what I understand
it wasn’t a huge brawl or anything, but May was out cold. I think in the retellings, it has become more of May getting the complete s—- kicked out of him, in a huge bar room brawl. But, the way I was told the story (by a friend of mine who knows Jon well), it was one of those “2 hit fights”, you know what I mean? And because of THAT, May was too embarrassed to file charges against Jon.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 12, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, you're right about May
He had quite the reputation for being an arrogant jerk when I was at KSU. And he did get nailed for a DUI in the summer of ‘94. Friends of mine who met him couldn’t stand him.
But that said, more than any other player he was responsible for the ‘Cats leap in ’93 to annual bowl-contender. I still think he belongs up with Lynn Dickey and Bishop in the conversation of greatest Wildcat QB of all time. Remember how the offense – and the team – took a step back in ’92 with Smargiasso at QB following Watson’s graduation. May got his just desserts in the NFL when his cockiness cost him his shot with the Vikings.
One other thing, I thought Matt Miller was a pretty darn good QB in ‘95 (more of an athletic type than prototypical NFL-caliber passer like May). He’s always overlooked.
by CT-K-Stater on Oct 13, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Miller
was always one of my favorites. He really reminded me of Straw and Watson, whom I also loved. If I had to make a list of “short list” of greatest KSU QBs, May would certainly be in the conversation. So would Watson. But I don’t know how anyone could surpass what Mike Bishop did for this program.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Tough to compare
They each did different things. May and Watson weren’t asked to do the same things Bishop and Roberson were. I agree about Straw and Watson; both were good and very effective. I just think when you look at each of these QBs and where they took the program, they each were asked to raise it from one level to the next. Without the legwork Straw and Watson did to make the program at least competitive, would May have had the supporting cast around him that he did? Ditto May to Bishop. Straw and Watson did what they did, May took it to another level, and Bishop took it to a high-profile, elite level. Each had a foundation to build upon.
Bishop is certainly the greatest athlete and perhaps single most important player in KSU football history, but he also had tremendous talent around him, including Darnell McDonald, Eric Hickson, David Allen returning punts and kicks, a big solid offensive line and a great defense (until about the Missouri game when things started falling apart in terms of pass-defense).
Along with Miller, Jonathan Beasley is too often overlooked because he was wedged between Bishop and Roberson. All the guy did was win.
Oh, to go back to the days...
when we complained about QBs because they weren’t like Bishop.
Now we complain because they aren’t D-1 back-up caliber. Yeesh.
by ChrisP Wildcat on Oct 14, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
This makes me shudder
at how BAD Klein and Lamur must show in practice for Snyder to not trust them to do an at least similarly equal effort in getting us into plays/sets and handling the ball because it is 100% obvious that Klein/Lamur and no worse than equals (I would say superiors) to Coffman in their athletic abilities and throwing capabilities…
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by VegasCat07 on Oct 11, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't REC this comment enough:
at how BAD Klein and Lamur must show in practice for Snyder to not trust them
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Actually
I think that a lot of it comes back to Coach being a bit overly-loyal to incumbents.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 11, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps...
But I submit to you the 2009 season that saw Coffman yanked in favor of GG – a trustworthy hard-worker with only months of system experience and a bum shoulder (knees?) – after just a handful of games. Though 2010 seeing us “win” the same games Coffman did not “win” last year runs contrary to my statement, I still have nothing else I can come up with (I am just a fan in the end) beyond poorly performing in everything short of a game for Snyder’s eyes.
At some point, you have to just admit that with Coffman or with a poor first showing by Klein/Lamur – a loss is a loss. See if maybe Klein/Lamur can do it in a game better than in practice (or anything away from in-game). That seems counter-intuitive which is likely why Snyder still has Coffman at #1.
Only things I can come up with…
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I tend to agree
but it kind of surprised me to see Klein come in…then Coffman…then Klein again…then Lamur. It seemed our coaching staff was almost confused as to what direction to go. 12 days for a game plan with confusion all around just pisses me off
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by mjk7166 on Oct 11, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The second-half QB rotation
was DEFINITELY odd. Who knows why they chose to sub them the way that they did? I’m just hoping they won’t wait too long to go to Klein/Lammur, if Coffman plays how I think he will against KU.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 11, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
12 days of preparation, and the team was poor in the first half and then awful in the second. This is really what Snyder can do with 12 days? I’m totally unimpressed.
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Perhaps we should keep in mind
that Nebraska is WAY better than us. It’s not close.
"Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people never take the chance, either 'cause they're too scared, or because they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it go by..."
by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 11, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But rather than give up short runs with a bend don't break D
They decided to stack the box with ELEVEN it looked like at times, which is crazy. Break through the first wave and it’s a TD. Maybe Snyder’s comments on hating the bend don’t break led to this. Maybe Cosh’s mentality would have made this a much closer game and Snyder is more to blame…thoughts?
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Huh?
They didn’t “stack the box with ELEVEN”, they just took terrible angles, missed a few tackles, and were much much MUCH slower than Nub’s offensive players. I’m not particularly of the “Blame Coach Cosh for all the defensive woes” camp, so I’m definitely not into blaming Coach Snyder for them.
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 11, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's just get down the facts of the season right now
We looked good against some inferior teams early on in the year (I’ll make an argument for UCF and UCLA, but MSU and ISU are definitely not that good of teams). UCF had a fast defense and the ability to stop the run against us and that showed the overall weakness of our teams offense. We need to throw the ball more or people are going to continue to stack seven or eight guys in the box on us and stop Thomas from running. We were fortunate that UCLA had almost as pitiful of a run defense as we did or we may lose that game as well. We all know we still snuck away with one form UCF, there’s a lot of things in that game that made it very losable for us we just made a few plays here and there to get away with it. When it comes down to it Nebraska was the real first true test overall (again I’m willing to make an argument on UCF here) and the definitely showed who the better team was and pointed out MANY of our teams flaws. All we can hope for now is that the coaching staff will make some changes in the play calling (and hopefully personal) that will help us to rebound from this game and get a win against a team that I know none of us ever wanna lose to (even if it was just jacks or something we were playing) and see how the season goes from there. I do feel that if we don’t get a win this week we could be in a scramble to get those last two wins to get into (in my opinion) a desperately needed bowl game. Our program needs it, the fans need it, and it would be a good building block for next year. Overall, I don’t see that happening with Coffman as the QB or with us trying to hand the ball off up the middle 10 times in a row. We’ve got to mix in the pass or we’re going to go down in a sinking ship and take what was a great start to the season and maybe barely limp to the finish line.
By the way,
sorry for the very long post, there was just a lot to get off my chest about the team after seeing their last performance. I also agree with those who are disappointed in the coaching and game planning after such a long break
Tell me this is subterfuge
and we see Lamur or Klein run out with the offense on the first series. Kind of like what happened last year against Iowa State when Gregory made his debut.
Its clear that Snyder just trusts Coffman more to take care of the football and not screw things up. I’m also figuring he doesn’t want to begin a game of musical-chairs at QB, though perhaps KU is the final test and if Coffman can’t get the offense untracked early he gets a quick hook. We at least need to see a package of plays – or an entire series – with one of the other two behind center.
All that said, after one blowout loss – to a much more talented team – I’m not sure Snyder is quite ready to panic (a loss to KU might be another story). The defense more than the offense was the problem against Nebraska, and what offensive woes we experienced could also be attributed to a very good (particularly at linebacker and cornerback) Cornhusker defense as much as Coffman’s limitations. And I still can’t figure out why they don’t give William Powell more carries to give the running game a change of pace and take some of the load off of DT. Even some screen passes to Powell would help loosen up defenses.
GIVEN UP HOPE
of seeing Coffman getting benched this year. I am gonna have to just suck it up and TRY to quit getting so mad about it.
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I've been hearing some rumblings
that this is just a bit of Coach Snyder bait-and-switch. I guess we’ll see…
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by K. Scott Bailey on Oct 12, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets hope
it’s one of those where Coffman “starts” but then a change is made.
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I'm actually hopeful
that he doesn’t even start, and that it’s just a ruse by Coach to keep most of KU’s defensive reps this week preparing for Coffman, and not Klein/Lamur.
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