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Postgame Reaction: Missouri

Given that the general sentiment among a large portion of K-State fans was that this game represented a likely win, it's not surprising that the same portion of the fanbase is nearly panicking after losing to Missouri, 74-68, on Saturday.  My advice, unsurprisingly, is "don't panic."  Just because this team lost in Columbia doesn't mean it's not as good as we thought.

First, let's give Mizzou a little credit.  No, they weren't ranked in the top 25, but Missouri at home the last two years is always a top-25 caliber team.  With the style they play, it helps tremendously to have the emotion and energy of a home crowd behind you.  When you're a little tired, or things aren't going your way, it's easier to get a boost from the home crowd.  Teams may say they feed off the negative energy of a road crowd, but it doesn't work that way.  And even if they did lose DeMarre Carroll and Leo Lyons, it's not like Mizzou suddenly had a bunch of junk basketball players.

Anyway, without venturing into moral victory territory, there are positives we can take from this loss.  Hit the jump for those thoughts.

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What I liked:

Playing tough on the road.  Remember, folks, we got run out of that gym last year.  We lost by 20, and it should have been worse.  This year, we led by 10 in the first half, and by five in the last six minutes of the game.  K-State played well enough most of the night to win this game, but coupled some crucial mistakes down the stretch with some big plays by Missouri.

Jake making a big shot.  Too often, we've seen Pullen want to be the man down the stretch, only to throw up some ill-advised shot that didn't really help (see, e.g., at Baylor two years ago).  On Saturday, he took it upon himself to put up a big shot when it was needed, and he drained it.

A (mostly) good day for Merriewether.  Getting eight points from CM is a bonus for this team.  He played a lot more minutes than Frank wanted him to -- and I'd like to see Martavious Irving start to get more of those minutes -- and for the most part he did a good job.  I'm not going to get down on him about that turnover.  It was a bad decision, but I know he realizes that and I guarantee he feels worse about it than any of us ever will.  But everybody that took the floor for K-State made mistakes yesterday.  We committed 21 turnovers.  Every single one of those other turnovers that led to points counted just as much as the turnover Merriewether committed, it just so happened that the timing of his made it stick out.

Nearly winning despite some average games from our best players.  Jake and Denis were 10-30 from the field and still managed 37 points.  But we got absolutely nothing from our front line.  Curtis Kelly continued his Jekyll and Hyde performance, playing only nine minutes.  Luis Colon gave the effort we've come to expect, but he's out of his element in a fast-paced game like Missouri plays.  Really, the only bright spot on the front line was Jamar Samuels and his 10 points, and even that was overshadowed by the fact that he fouled out.  If this type of game for these guys turns out to be the exception, and given their performances up to now you would expect that to be the case, we're going to be fine.

What I didn't like:

Inability to finish down the stretch.  Frank Martin's teams have shown progress in so many areas.  The offense is smoother than it was two years ago.  The defense is tougher.  We got out of the gate fast this year rather than struggling through non-conference games.  One of the last big hurdles is learning to finish games off down the stretch.  Like it or not, it's not something that happens overnight.  It's something that requires experience.  Sherron Collins is deadly down the stretch because he's been there before, and he expects to make the big shot.  Ditto Zaire Taylor.  Every player says they want the ball in their hands with the game on the line, but few really, really do.  Pullen has that type of mentality, but until Saturday, I don't think he'd ever made a big shot down the stretch in a big game.  Let's hope that his three to tie it up with about a minute left is a sign of clutch play to come from him.

We led by 10 late in the first half, and gave up the lead and then some with a 15-2 run.  We led by five late in the second half and only made something like two field goals the rest of the way.  It's going to happen eventually, folks.

Jake going underneath that ball screen for Taylor.  God, that's going to haunt me.

Complete disappearance by our bigs.  Already been discussed some, so we won't dwell on it, but Good Curtis Kelly needs to reappear soon.  Wally Judge has nowhere to go but up.  Colon can play better than he did.  JHR is still a freshman.  When these guys put it together, it's going to be impressive.  When they don't, Jake and Denis will have to carry us.

What it means and where we're going:

Imagine this hypothetical for a second.  Instead of playing at Missouri for the first conference game, let's say we had played Iowa State at home to start and Missouri on February 6.  Let's say we beat ISU by 12 or something.  Everyone's feeling good, we beat Texas A&M and Colorado, then let's say we win two out of the three against KU and Texas and Baylor and win our other games.  We'd be 7-1 going into Columbia in that scenario.  If we had played that exact same game and walked out of there 7-2 we'd be disappointed, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.  I'm convinced that part of the reason we're taking this loss so hard is that it was the first conference game (not to mention the fact that we were oh-so-close to winning).

The key right now is to make sure this game doesn't beat us twice.  Texas A&M is a dangerous team that could beat us if we don't show up completely ready to play.  We have to protect our home court and beat teams like A&M.  If we are 2-1 going into next Monday's showdown with Texas, we will be just fine.

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I wasn't expecting a win

But losing a close game was tough. As you said, the ability to finish is something I hope the Cats learn from this. I dearly hope the Bigs show up after that performance. I think Martin and the staff can teach them a lot, and I’m optimistic that will be their worst performance of the season.

Also, I REALLY don’t like that Martin popped Merriewether on the arm. After the recent witch hunts, I really hope this doesn’t follow him and the team around.

by Sean T on Jan 11, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

The less we talk about it, the better of we'll be

It will fade from the national consciousness if people quit bringing it up, IMO.

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

re: Martin/Merriewether

I remembered seeing this while watching the game. I noticed it when it happened, but didn’t think anything of it. While I thought it was inappropriate, this is far from player abuse. When I checked ESPN a few hours after the game, I saw the headline about Martin apologizing for hitting a player. I thought to myself, holy crap, what did he do in the locker room? I was actually extremely pissed off to find out the incident they were referring to was the one I had already dismissed. Front page material? Shame on you ESPN. Shame on you.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

And Yahoo

“Coach hits player during game”

Makes it sound like he decked him. Fracking fly-by-night Internet journalists…

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

A few notes...

The biggest disappointment for the game had to have been was Judge. Four Minutes and Four Fouls? Even with the whistle-happy refs, you have to try that hard to do that. At least CK grabbed some rebounds in his outing. I’m still waiting for his upside to show up.

I do not like Luis Colon and Chris Merriewether in the lineup at the same time. Until they somehow develope offensive confidence (because both know that they can score, just not very often) – just bring them in one at a time. Please. You’re just giving teams an open invitiation to double team Jake without consequence.

Where was R-McGruder?

Yes, more Bultavious Maximus please. And let him shoot.

I think we saw the March 2009 Mizzou team. They play like that and they’ll be seeing a first round bye in the conference tourney.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

The frustration of youth
I think we saw the March 2009 Mizzou team. They play like that and they’ll be seeing a first round bye in the conference tourney.

At home on a good shooting day, they can look like a first round bye team. On the road on a tough shooting day, they can look like an unceremonious first round exit team.

by RPT on Jan 11, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

It’s between them and Baylor, at this point.

Baylor gets them at home, but plays in the tougher South. It will be a fun race.

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

As disappointed as I was with the ending/result...

I feel comforted with the above conclusions (similar to my own) from this game. I am a firm believer in the saying that “you can learn more about a team from a loss than win.” In this case, the playing tough on the road (overcame several deficits – just not the final one) and hanging tough despite what felt overall like a terrible game (not effort) from the team. Even Pullen-Clemente’s points came on an off shooting night (as mentioned). Given the overall make-up of the game, a 6-point loss in that game is palatable for me.

Sidenote: did anyone else take even a little (or a lot of) offense to Bowers’ dunk with <1 second left and a 4 point lead?

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Only if you bet on it

With a name like VegasCat, I’m guessing you did. My condolences.

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh heh...

I learned that lesson 2 years ago.

1st – Never bet on a team you really actually truly want to win the game.

2nd – Don’t gamble on sports, it takes the fun out of it (for me at least).

:-D

[KSU +3.0 to win… KU 30, @KSU 24]

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on Jan 11, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

No offense taken from me

Because you might as well give credit to that dunk to the Mizzou Fans. The energy at that point was insane and it was a huge crowd pleaser. Gotta give credit to those fans who made the last 4 minutes of that game feel like March.

If that dunk happened away from home, then I might take a little offense to it (but that’s a situational thing).

I’d actually take offense if he didn’t dunk like that in that situation.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

None here either

Just pissed that they scored again. But we’re kidding ourselves if we think Jamar or Dom wouldn’t have dunked it an even more epic way at Bramlage

Just Wabash already!

by AlwaysaWildcat on Jan 11, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for JamSam

for an open break stunner. TB and I were at the Baylor game in 2007 and man did he put on a clinic during pregame. Unbelievable. The guys got some serious moves.

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

For real

although my buddies and I think he’s trying too hard in pregame these days. He keeps missing them.

Must have spent too much time working on ball handling and outside shooting this summer…

Just Wabash already!

by AlwaysaWildcat on Jan 11, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, make that 2008

JamSam wasn’t around in 2007…

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

07-08 that is.

saw him Feb. 2008 while he was redshirting.

Football and Baseball seasons are much easier since they occur in the same calender year…

Surgeon General's Warning: K-State-Mizzou basketball may increase the risk of high blood pressure. Please consult your doctor prior to watching any of these games.

by mystman995 on Jan 11, 2010 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know what you're talking about

I thought New Year’s Day was October 15? It is on my calendar…

It’s like the basketball fiscal year, ya know?

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

While no, it wasn’t needed, it was a darned nice treat for him and the fans.

by Sean T on Jan 11, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm, good point -

JamSam or Dom would have done the same. However, I would have (shoe on the other foot) preferred just heaving the ball up into the stands after the buzzer. Maybe that’s too old fashioned nowadays? ;-)

Also, we could have defended or not turned it over again. >.<

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on Jan 11, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no problem with the play in and of itself

I’m just mad that Denis fell down and let them do it. That was a one-possession game that doesn’t look like a one-possession game in retrospect. Damn it all.

by BracketCat on Jan 11, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Because I don't...

…get bent out of shape about running up the score in football, I don’t have a problem with that either, especially at home. Doing it on the road — ala Texas A&M at Baylor a couple years ago when someone (Sloan?) threw one down off the glass at the buzzer — is a little more borderline, as you can’t claim the “doing it for the fans” rationale, but are rather clearly showing up the other team and its fans.

As VegasCat mentioned, if you don’t want it to happen, don’t turn the ball over. Or, you know, foul hard if you’re in position to prevent it.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Jan 11, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Missouri continues to be underrated

The polls are deceptive in Missouri’s case. They’re not ranked because they lost three games, which were close and on the road. But if you look at Missouri’s stats, they should be ranked highly. According to Ken Pomeroy:

MU is ranked #8 overall to K-State’s #12.
They have the #7 defense in the country.
They are #1 in turnovers forced.
They are #1 in steals.
They are #8 in defense against 3 pointers

Sagarin sees it almost exactly the same way, predicting the Tigers to finish #8 in the nation and the Cats to finish #11.

This is a team that retained their entire Elite Eight backcourt—just like Villanova, as Frank would point out, yet Villanova gets all the attention. Missouri now has a 30-game winning streak at Mizzou Arena, second-longest in the nation.

And the Cats came this close to breaking it.

by giantslor on Jan 12, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

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