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Is moving the Big 12 Championship Game to Dallas permanently a good idea?

Now, that I've come back from my bar-exam induced hiatus, it's time to jump back into the important things in life.  Specifically, college football.  Even more specifically, Big 12 football.

And even more specifically, the interesting proposition put forward by Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe that the conference is considering moving the football championship game to Dallas' new Cowboys Stadium permanently.  Beebe said that the last time the issue of future championship sites came up, and the new Cowboys Stadium was mentioned as a possibility, the conference decided it wasn't interested in permanently locking up championship sites.

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Apparently, that has all changed now.  Without a doubt, the new Cowboys Stadium is an incredible edifice.  For the $1 billion it cost to build, I sure as hell hope it's incredible.  I'd hate to think that $1 billion doesn't buy much anymore.

But I guess I just don't see the point.  I watch that video linked above, and I wonder who goes to these stadiums so they can sit in a sports lounge and watch the game on TV.  Maybe I'm old fashioned, but when I go to a venue for a football game, or a baseball game, or a basketball game, I really don't need much other than a seat where I can see the action, a bathroom, and a place to get an overpriced drink and some overpriced food occasionally.  I'm sure the new stadium in Arlington has much nicer shitters and much more overpriced food, but does that really make it a better venue for the Big 12 championship game?

Also, if you watch that video and think "ooh, those sports bars and lounges look sooooo nice!", then just remember that at a Big 12 championship game, there won't be any alcohol served in the public areas of the stadium.  So those sports bars and lounges will be a beautiful place to go get a Coke, and watch the game that you paid $75 to attend on TV while you wait in line.

One of the primary arguments that's being made in favor of moving the game to Dallas is based on the weather.  Both Beebe and Texas Tech's Mike Leach brought that up recently.

Beebe: "Part of that means trying to play in the national championship game and I think we would be at risk the first time when we have a blizzard somewhere when clearly the team that's No. 1 in the country slips and slides and loses maybe to another inferior team in the conference, and then we forgo the chance to play for the national championship."

Leach: "It stabilizes the weather situation, if that's important. I don't know how important that is, because there was a year a while back where it was a big issue.

I want to know what year it is that Mike Leach is talking about.  During the first four years of the Big 12 CCG, it rotated between domed stadiums in St. Louis and San Antonio.  Finally, in 2000, the conference decided to play football out in the elements, as the game was meant to be played, when Kansas City's Arrowhead Stadium was chosen.  The high that day was 37 degrees, but it didn't seem to affect the South Division representative, Oklahoma, who beat K-State on its way to a national title.  After that, the title game was played semi-outdoors in Texas the next two years, with the North and the South splitting games.

So far, so good, right?  In the three years the game had been played outside, including a chilly evening in KC, there was no complaint that the weather played any role.  Of course, in 2003, the "greatest team in the history of college football" came to KC on a chilly evening (high of 39, low of 28) and got stomped by K-State.  However, if anyone wants to seriously argue that Oklahoma lost that game because of the weather, I'll be happy to step in front of any neutral arbiter and have that one out with you.  K-State won that game because it had playmakers on offense like Ell Roberson and Darren Sproles, a stout defense, and OU's Jason White was playing on one good knee.  On top of all that, it's not like it was historically cold or anything.  Granted, if you're from the south and you're a really big vagina about cold weather, I'm sure 30 degrees sounds pretty awful, but trust me, if you put enough layers on and wear a damn stocking cap and gloves, you'll be fine.

Oh, and just in case anyone forgot, the next year the title game was played in KC again, and the high was 60 degrees that day.  After a short detour to Houston for Vince Young's throttling of Colorado, we came back to KC in 2006 for what still stands as the coldest Big 12 CCG.  In 2006, Nebraska met Oklahoma in KC -- in front of more than 80,000 fans, by the way -- with temperatures at game time in the mid-20s.  The cold temperatures didn't seem to be much of a problem for 10-2 Oklahoma, as the Sooners dispatched 9-3 Nebraska by the score of 21-7.  After one more trip to that inglorious domed structure next to I-35 in San Antonio, the title game returned to KC last year for OU's DISRESPECT! showdown with Missouri.  The high temperature that day was 45 degrees, and the Sooners laid waste to the Missouri's True Sons.

So the grand tally of Big 12 CCG played outdoors at a "North" venue comes to five.  In those games, the South is 4-1, with only Oklahoma's loss to K-State in 2003 as a blemish.  This only furthers my conspiracy theory that Texas' players are so soft, they intentionally throw their season in the years the title game is played in KC so they don't have to risk playing in the cold.  OK, obviously that was a joke, but most of the whining about cold weather comes from south of the Red River, so I couldn't resist.

The point of the preceding four paragraphs is that Beebe's contention that weather could be that big of a deal is unfounded.  Teams from the South have played in cold weather in the North and won.  What's more, I've played in a lot of golf tournaments, and because I'm from the Great Plains, I've played in a lot of golf tournaments on days when the wind was howling.  Of course, the wind wasn't just affecting my shots, it was affecting everyone's shots.  Weather doesn't play favorites, it's the same for both teams that are outside playing in it.  Also, considering that most of the North teams have a lot of players from Texas, Florida and California, it's not like these teams are trotting out lineups full of local boys who grew up in the bitter cold of Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, or Missouri.  As to his comment about "slipping and sliding," do the teams from the South need to get better cleats or something?  Do the teams from the North have non-skid shoes?  If so, where do I get a pair of those shoes? 

To put my feelings into the most blunt form I can, if your team blames losing a conference title game on the weather, you're a bunch of mental midgets who don't deserve to be playing college football.  What's more, despite Beebe's fear that a little cold weather and some snow might derail the national title hopes of a conference team, I highly doubt that a team that can't win a game in adverse conditions is likely to defeat the champion of another conference.  As to the "blizzard" comment, it's asinine to think that a football game would be played in a blizzard.  If the weather was anything even approaching blizzard conditions on the day of the game, it would be delayed and played later, for the safety of the players and fans who are trying to travel to the game.

Moving on to other arguments against playing the title game in Kansas City, let's address a few more of Dan Beebe's and Mike Leach's comments:

Beebe: "I think Houston did an outstanding job and so did San Antonio," Beebe said. "I think when you get outside of the reaches of that-the I-35 corridor or Houston, then you have a little more problems with Denver and St. Louis, because it's just harder to get to for a lot of the fans. We had a great experience in Houston and a great experience in San Antonio. Kansas City and Dallas are certainly more in the centralized area, but I don't think we can forgo anything right now."

Leach: Some of the teams in the North don't like it, but I think if you look at it objectively, it's easier for a lot of the teams in the North to fly to Dallas in a whole bunch of the North locations, and then moving into the same spot every year is pretty good."

Has anyone heard of the Interstate Highway System?  It's this little thing that a president in the 1950s by the name of Eisenhower dreamed up.  Crazy idea, basically wanted to build wide, controlled-access, uniformly designed roads across the nation to improve interstate travel.  It's really been a smashing success, too.  As I look at the map of Interstate highways, I notice that Texas Tech is the only school in the conference that doesn't have direct interstate access to pretty much anywhere else in the conference.  It's ironic to me that the good captain Leach is talking about how easy it is to fly into Dallas, considering that he had to be given a special tour of the sprawling DFW airport last year after he called the place "a confusing mess."  Of course, North fans could always fly into Love Field, and enjoy the nauseating cross winds on approach and the neck-snapping landings as the pilots bounce onto the runway.

Either way, it is absolutely not easier for most of the North teams to fly into Dallas than it is to drive to KC.  Nebraska fans would have to drive to Omaha, K-State or Mizzou fans would have to drive to KC, Colorado fans would have to drive to Denver, and then they'd get to board a plane to Dallas.  Frankly, I'd rather just drive to KC and watch the game there, thanks.

I don't really buy that having the game in the North or the South's territory is really any great home-field advantage in the sense that it's played on a neutral site and tickets are held for both teams.  But in terms of travel, one of the ideas of rotating the sites is that teams and fans should have the opportunity to have the game relatively nearby as often as it's down in that foreign country to the south of Oklahoma.

Anyway, based on all the arguments that are being advanced in favor of moving to Dallas permanently, I don't see much merit in any of them.  Of course, I think Beebe is being PC and not mentioning the fact that a game at Jerryworld, with its overpriced parking, tickets and food, is likely to be a cash cow for the conference.  Of course, we could never mention filthy lucre in talking about why we would make decisions, but anyone with a brain knows the Cowboys have more money to throw at the Big 12 than do the Chiefs.

So I suppose we should resign ourselves to the possibility that we are looking at annual sojourns to Dallas each December to watch our teams play in the Big 12 CCG.  However, I don't think this is anywhere near a done deal at this point.  As such, I think it's critical that all fans, administrators, and coaches of North schools make it clear to the conference office that, if we indeed are going to be stuck in Dallas each December, then the rest of the conference is coming to Kansas City each March.  And yes, I said each March, not two out of every three, or two out of every four.  Every single men's basketball postseason conference tournament had better be in KC if football is going to Dallas.  It's a crime that KC was deprived of the tournament at any point, considering that it was the traditional home of the Big 8 tournament, and we added four schools that traditionally don't give a shit about basketball.  But given that Kemper Arena was falling apart and politics in KC -- go figure -- delayed getting a new arena built, I can understand it.

No more, however.  While I understand that the Sprint Center is not the ZOMG epitome of American excess that Cowboys Stadium is, it's a beautiful facility in a town that cares about basketball.  Beebe talks about wanting to build a local ticket base by anchoring these things.  Guess what, Dan?  You already have that in KC.  The residents of this city got accustomed to having the tournament in town each year, and to watching teams such as K-State under Jack Hartman and Lon Kruger, Mizzou under Norm Stewart, KU under Larry Brown and Roy Williams, Oklahoma under Billy Tubbs, and Oklahoma State that they came back every year.  You should have seen the furor created when the Big 12 tournament came to the Sprint Center.  They had to hold a lottery for the tickets...in the upper deck.  I happily paid $300 per seat for an all-session pass despite being a broke-ass law student, and my girlfriend was more than happy to pay that much, too.

Kansas City cares about the postseason basketball tournament.  Of course, Oklahoma City will tell you it does, too, but it really only cares when OU or Oklahoma State are playing.  Granted, it's better than Dallas and the stunningly empty American Airlines Center, but it's not Kansas City.

My hope is that the schools of the North bind together and throw down the gauntlet in front of Beebe and the Big 12's board of directors.  If football is going to Dallas, then basketball is going to Kansas City.  Period.  Anything else is an absolute non-starter.

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The bottom line is that we’d be happy to give up football for basketball.

Logistically, it makes sense. The South teams are more condensed into a general area, so you’ll always get good sales, and yes, you’ll probably make bank if you have it in the Cowboy’s Palace. However, the same can be said about KC since the vast majority of schools that can actually win that tournament can get there via I-70 or I-35 in a matter of hours. The exception being Texas, and they could give a crap, and it’s not like they aren’t open about that.

If the CCG goes to Dallas and KC has to share the Bball tournament with OKC, it’s a ridiculous sham of epic proportions. However, if it’s a straight trade, I’m good with it.

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by Panjandrum on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I am okay with...

Dallas football and KC basketball.

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by MadCat on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Just kind of shows

Why I have not been a huge fan of the Big 12. All the Big 12’s purpose is, is to ensure schools like Texas and Oklahoma keep getting richer, and squashing on the little guys. The revenue sharing is a joke, and it’s still embarassing they can’t get a network or an ESPN type of a deal.

I’d rather have a new conference with the North, Utah, and Boise State, and have the South plus TCU, Rice and/or SMU be in their own conference.

by Mark Kieffer on Jul 31, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Not buying it

Yeah, if they somehow force this deal through KC should absolutely be the permanent site of the basketball tournament…but I’m not for this happening outright.

First, there is no logical argument for changing the way things currently are done EXCEPT money. Weather? Crap. Can’t even begin to elaborate on the flaws in that argument. But I sense that some people might be in favor of the switch because we as Wildcat fans would like to cheer on the ‘Cats basketball team in KC and our chances of playing in a football championship game are small. I think this is a bad way to look at things because it is subjective and specific to only our school. What if our fortunes in basketball and football change? Would you still be in favor of the switch? Do you think Nebraska is going to be for the permanent switch? (Not that I particularly care to be nice to them) I’m just saying there are two fair ways to do this. One is to keep the host sites rotating. The other is to auction the rights to host the game to the highest bidder. If Miami or Los Angeles wants to pay more and host the game, fine. At least those rich fools down south will have to travel like the rest of us.

by Mrfphy on Jul 31, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not too worried...

…about whether our fortunes in basketball and football switch. I could live with flying or driving to Dallas if we win the North. As far as Nebraska, I’m sure they’re such great fans that they’d go to Anchorage to watch their beloved ‘skers play. I wasn’t too worried about the travel argument, but I brought it up because I think it’s ridiculous to claim that it’s somehow easier to get to Dallas than it is to get to KC.

If this does go through, I’ll be curious to see if the game gains the following in Dallas that they hope it will. Obviously, if UT or TAMU or OU are in the game, the place will be packed. But I wonder what happens the first time we get an Oklahoma State/Colorado title game. Dallas is a notorious event town, and I can’t imagine the locals turning out for that at $75 per ticket and $40 for parking. Of course, KC probably wouldn’t be much better, so I may have just made a moot point.

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by TB on Jul 31, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Money

The only reason they have a Big XII championship game in the first place is money – so put the game in the place that pays the conference the most for it. If I’m not mistaken, that money gets split evenly (minus expenses for those in the game).

I wonder if the SEC West got so upset when they decided to put the SEC championship game in Atlanta permanently.

by Texas Wahoo on Jul 31, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree on the money comment...

…and I’m guessing KC brings in as much, if not more, money for the basketball tournament as any other site, so let’s just roll with it.

As for the SEC comment, I have no idea, but I don’t recall the SEC rotating venues at any point, either. Could be mistaken on that. And really, the only venue in the SEC West’s territory that could hold it is the Superdome.

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by TB on Jul 31, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The SEC

held their title game in 1992 and 1993 (the first two years) in Birmingham. I think the game sold out, but I don’t think the town marketed it to the satisfaction of the SEC powers that be. Atlanta and the Georgia Dome came back with a serious, professional marketing plan that made it almost a weeklong event and it’s been there since 1994.

Not to get too off topic here, but it’s vintage Birmingham and Atlanta. One city holds the geographic advantage and pisses it away (Birmingham). The other does whatever it takes to get what it wants (Atlanta).

by DoubleB on Jul 31, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weak Sauce

ATL makes sense for the SEC. I’m sure many would be mad if they decided to have it in Florida every year…

Might as well change the Big 12 to “Big Texas”…

Doesn’t surprise me “Texas Wahoo” is down for having the championship game in Texas every year…

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

No need to get punchy

Being from Houston originally, I would personally prefer to rotate it with Houston in the rotation. However, I can understand holding an event that was started just to make money in the stadium that makes the most money for the conference makes sense to me. If we’re going to have the game, I say we make the most money we can doing it.

It’s not like Atlanta is in the middle of the SEC. It’s pretty much as far east as you can get. Dallas is way more central in the Big XII

by Texas Wahoo on Aug 1, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atlanta vs. Dallas

60 miles from University of Georgia
100 miles from Auburn
155 miles from Tennessee
185 miles from Alabama
195 miles from South Carolina
215 miles from Vanderbilt
250 miles from Miss State
300 miles from Ole Miss
300 miles from Kentucky
308 miles from Florida
460 miles from Arkansas
460 miles from LSU

Average Distance = 224 miles

Let’s look at Dallas for the Big 12:

100 from Baylor
155 from A&M
170 from Oklahoma
200 from Texas
230 from Oklahoma State
280 from Texas Tech
440 from Kansas
445 from K-State
500 from Missouri
560 from Nebraska
670 Miles from Colorado
670 Miles from Iowa State

Average Distance = 365 miles.

Still think Dallas is more Centrally Located for the Big 12 compared to Atlanta in the SEC??

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering that too - nicely done.

Here’s how the East/West breakdown goes:

60 miles from University of Georgia – EAST
100 miles from Auburn – WEST
155 miles from Tennessee – EAST
185 miles from Alabama – WEST
195 miles from South Carolina – EAST
215 miles from Vanderbilt – EAST
250 miles from Miss State – WEST
300 miles from Ole Miss – WEST
300 miles from Kentucky – EAST
308 miles from Florida – EAST
460 miles from Arkansas – WEST
460 miles from LSU – WEST

Well hell, that’s not a bad balance at all. It’s pretty damn centrally located for being the biggest city in the region don’t you think? Compared to Dallas, which is closer to ALL the south schools, the SEC has nothing to complain about.

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Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be clear

Financially it makes sense to have the game in Dallas permanently. I don’t doubt there are more Big 12 fans that live close to Dallas than there are anywhere else.

I just don’t understand why the North teams want to be in the Big 12 to be honest. Honestly, the Big 12 does nothing for them at all, and that was the point I was trying to make.

If you look at the Big 10 and SEC, they keep making moves that help the conference as a whole, not just the predominant few teams.

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll agree on the Dallas - Atlanta comparison

but I’m not buying the KC to Birmingham. KC does not ‘piss it away’ when football comes to town. It’s just now can’t really compete with the bells and whistles of the new Cowboy’s stadium. But then again, can any stadium at the moment compare to it? Probably not. In five years there will be another one. In ten years, it will be the norm and be out of date.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

The Norm?

I doubt lots of NFL owners are going to go practically bankrupt to build a stadium that expensive. The Cowboys are like the Yankees.

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

In ten years?

Absolutely. The building/construction field is changing exponentially. Budgets are ever growing. Technology today could be obsolete tomorrow. Do you think Jerry is the only person who wants to create the ultimate fan experience?

Well, Los Angeles wants to. Do you think this won’t be equally as impressive? And Los Angeles doesn’t even have a football team yet!

And even though it was rejected, the NY Jets were making a push for a remarkable stadium as well.

Believe me, the NFL is a business and owners/cities will eventually open up their checkbooks and keep building these massive stadiums. Jerry had the money now and he built the new standard. That’s why the Big 12 championship will be held there this year.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and even though it's the NBA

Don’t forget about what the Nets are trying to build in the controversial Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

With lots of new stadiums like this

They will take away from the fan experience. They will price out the “real” fans and cater to corporate entities. Look at Yankee Stadium, it’s a joke.

New Stadiums look cool, but if they cost too much, there won’t be an ultimate fan experience.

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No argument there - I think we're on the same page.

The stadiums are getting nicer and nicer, but it is constantly fading out the fans who want to watch the sport – not to be there for the sake of being there. That’s why I’m not a Cubs fan…but I digress.

My original point was that these new stadiums will be the ‘norm’, not that I necessarily approve of them. This new idea of ‘fan experience’ is a bunch of crap. I consider fan experience to be about the game and how I experience it – not what I can do before, during, and after I need to get up to go to the bathroom. I prefer to get my food from the hot dog guy walking up and down the aisle, not from a super fancy lounge/restaurant that blocks me from the game. If you are concerned about how many TV’s are in the stadium to watch while you’re away from the game – do us all a favor and just “watch” it at home.

My mom used to tell me stories about how her, her mom and dad, and her brothers (9 in all) would go to St. Louis Cardinals games often because it was a fun activity that they could actually afford. It’s just not like that nowadays. Since living in Dallas, I’ve only been to a few sporting events because most of the time I can’t afford to go see them on a regular basis. Hell, the only time I’ve been to a Mavs game is when I was invited to go for free because of CORPORATE tickets.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points

Only a small segment of the population are hardcore fans. Families looking for entertainment or something to do together used to be the backbone of sports, particularly baseball.

What we’ve now seen in baseball is all of these new stadiums go up, and to no surprise, in a recent MLB fan poll the #1 issue keeping them away from the game was ticket prices (and not PEDs).

Right now the NFL is King. As they look to start building more stadiums in the $1 billion range, add more games on the schedule, etc., you are going to see similar backlash from some fans, IMO.

I grew up in the Twin Cities. As a kid, I’ve been to 2 Vikings games EVER, because they were too expensive, and the Vikings have some of the lowest prices in the league.

As you were elluding to with the Mavs, the new model is to cater to the corporate crowd. With an economy like this, corporations are backing off. I think if the sports catered to the average fan again, they would do alright, even in economic downturns like this.

Corporations are throwing the $$ at sponsorships and suites to impress shareholders, or to advertise to the community; they aren’t doing it because they love the sport, and if the money dries up, they are gone.

Fans stay around forever, regardless of the economic situation. If you cater to them, you may have less upside in earnings, but you will have less downside as well.

Speaking of the Cards, my dad grew up in STL and talked all about sitting in the bleachers for a dime or quarter, taking the bus for a nickel, etc, so I know all about what you’re talking about.

by Mark Kieffer on Aug 1, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

I’ve still never been to an NFL game – and I would love to go see a Bears game. Now that I live in Dallas, all I can really go see is the Cowboys. And I’m not really excited about paying an arm and a leg on a team that I don’t really even like.

That’s why I enjoy college football games so much more. I’ve been to countless games – and many of those were non-K-State games.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Aug 1, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been to a preseason NFL game...

Broncos vs. Bears. I’ve never seen so many fist fights at a sporting event. Seemed kinda silly considering the game was pointless. College games are better in my opinion.

(Also, tried to get tickets to Vikings v. Bears at the stadium in Champaign. My wife decided to wear a Vikings jersey that day. People get pretty dang mean when you’re wearing the opposing team’s colors….I’ve never seen my wife flip off anybody else before and still haven’t since that day. )

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by MadCat on Aug 2, 2009 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

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