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Not that this is news to K-State fans, but Bo Pelini thinks sportsmanship is overrated. (H/T 810 WHB, Kansas City)

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You mean this Bo Pelini?

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by mystman995 on Jun 5, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Or this Bo Pelini?

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by mystman995 on Jun 5, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

I get that you guys don't care for Pelini....

but I couldn’t agree more with him. I love that LeBron took that loss seriously enough that he did something he knew he’d get hammered for…

by hiphopopotamus on Jun 9, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions  

I just think he's goofy looking.

But I do agree that everybody seems to take the “sportsmanship” thing to levels that shouldn’t exist. I could really care less about the whole shaking hands thing. I really don’t see what the big deal is.

And to be honest, I would be happy if they eliminated any sort of meaningless post or pregame interviews. I think we’ve all heard the same story a billion times. Unless they’ve got something to say that is unique or contreversial, I don’t care you played hard, the other team had a lot of heart, or (insert generic sport talk here)….

And if you left it all on the field, well then you’d be dead sir.

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

They should have a post-game arm-wrestling match to determine the real winner.

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by MadCat on Jun 9, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand that sportsmanship is dead pretty much everywhere...

…but I disagree. Vehemently.

LeBron knew, or should have known, that he’d get ripped for not shaking hands after the game. What’s more, he deserved to be criticized for doing so. Shaking hands after a game should be considered a sign of respect for your opponents. I don’t know whether it’s considered manly or something to ignore those who just beat you in a competition, but it just strikes me as childish.

James plays basketball. It’s a game. Even though James plays it at the highest levels, it’s still not life and death. Life and death is what is going on over in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wouldn’t expect our soldiers to shake hands after a battle, even if they had the opportunity, because their opponents want to kill them. On the other end of the spectrum, I don’t expect LeBron to go to the tavern and throw back a few pints with the Magic. But in the middle, between life-and-death situations and casual competitions, there should be some modicum of decorum expected of athletes. By storming off the court, ignoring the Magic, and ignoring the media, James was being nothing more than a sore loser. My friends can tell you that I like James and admire his abilities as an athlete, and have generally respected his overall behavior — certainly a lot more than I respect, oh, say, Kobe Bryant — but his actions after the game rub me the wrong way.

Undoubtedly, somebody who listened to last week’s podcast with Rock M Nation — all two of you — is going to jump in here and claim that I defended running up the score, which is demonstrably unsportsmanlike. I guess it’s fair to characterize what I said as not being an absolute condemnation of running up the score, but it would still be a grossly inaccurate characterization. My argument, which I’ve made before, is that I wouldn’t support my own coaches’ decision to run up the score, but if another team runs it up on us, you won’t hear me complaining about it. If our team is so bad that we are completely incapable of stopping the other team, we have a lot more to worry about than whether the other team’s coach exhibited proper decorum during the game. If others see that as an unsportsmanlike position, so be it, but in my mind the two positions are not irreconcilable.

If LeBron wanted to do something that (a) demonstrated that he took the loss seriously, and (b) he knew he would get blasted for, he should have held a press conference demanding a trade. Or, if he wanted to demonstrate that he took the loss seriously and do something for which he would be praised, rather than criticized, he should have dedicated himself to working that much harder in the offseason.

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by TB on Jun 9, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe, as a role model, an athlete should try to at least show some amount of sportsmanship...

Do it for the kids.

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by MadCat on Jun 9, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shaking hands is a sign of respect for you opponents?

Yeah sure, as long as it’s sincere. But how often is that?

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whether it's sincere or not...

…is beside the point to me. If you’re so wrapped up in a game that you can’t bring yourself to show respect for opponents who compete fairly and beat you, then you have much bigger problems than poor sportsmanship. If the Magic had cheated, then I could understand not respecting them. But when you can’t recognize the worthy opponent who competes fairly and wins head-to-head, that’s not a winner’s attitude, that’s not having fire in your belly, it’s merely being childish. LeBron hasn’t lost a lot in his life because he’s a great basketball player, but it’s pretty clear to me that whenever he did lose he was not taught how to deal with losing correctly.

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by TB on Jun 9, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn it I wish I could imput my thoughts into words like you.

But I still don’t see what the big deal is. Lebron didn’t shake hands. So what. The last thing I would call that is childish. I think I would call it….blowing something out of proportion that is a complete non-issue.

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

But back to the sincerity of things

Nothing pisses me off more than unapologetic apologies. The one thing I like about Mark Cuban is that when he has to apologize, you know it’s bullcrap because it’s not something he believes he should do.

Same for Lebron. He has a history of not shaking hands after crushing losses and I think it would piss me off if he actually did shake hands. So it’s childish to be sincere rather than being insincere?

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it all goes to the intent

If LeBron started shaking hands just because dorks like me think he should, everyone would see through that and recognize it as a sham. To me, doing it as a sham or not doing it at all is the same thing. I guess in some sense I could respect him more for showing his true colors and not shaking hands at all rather than caving to someone else’s notions of correct behavior, but I would still think he was being childish. The underlying problem here is that LeBron seems to think he’s entitled to win, and when he doesn’t win, he apparently doesn’t think those who beat him are entitled to his respect. That may be too strong of a statement, because my guess is that LeBron really does respect Dwight Howard and the rest of the Magic, but when he acts as he did, he doesn’t show his respect and opens up the inference that he’s a spoiled child — a very rich, wealthy, successful and talented spoiled child — who doesn’t respect those who get the better of him occasionally.

I also agree that I probably wouldn’t have considered it something worth devoting large amounts of time and words to, but those defending LeBron — such as you and hiphop — have made arguments about which I’ve had to think seriously before responding. If it was just the typical soundbite stuff like “LeBron’s awesome, he can do whatever he wants!” I would have dismissed it without further consideration. My compliments to you two for making me consider the circumstances.

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by TB on Jun 9, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well consider this

(and I preface this by saying I didn’t actually see the end of the game, or even know what the players did – just making general assumptions)

Is it considered disrespectful for the Magic players to jump up onto the scorer’s table, being so excited that they forget to give out the “good game handshakes” to the Cavs? Should it be considered disrespectful to the team that lost if the other team openly celebrates in front of them? Why isn’t it considered good sportsmanship to remain calm on the court, respectfully shake the opponents hands, and then gracefully walk off the court?

And I’m not trying to defend Lebron by any means. I really don’t have an opinion of him other than being a freak of nature athlete. I think most all of professional athletes are spoiled – but that’s another topic all together.

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could change the norm to something like...

the warrior cultures of the Vikings or Spartans, et al. “Any defeat/death is good so long as you are still holding your sword.” I mean that metaphorically, of course. I don’t athletes should start impaling or beheading one another. That would be hell for the floor crew.

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by MadCat on Jun 9, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I left a word out of there somewhere.

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by MadCat on Jun 9, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could just not take sports so seriously as a society

because most of them involve playing with a ball…..

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by mystman995 on Jun 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does seem silly when you step back and think about it...

At least we don’t kill people over a soccer match like the rest of the world. :D

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by MadCat on Jun 10, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Europe may have their soccer hooligans,

but we have our soccer moms, hockey dads, and our crazy pee-wee football coaches!

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by mystman995 on Jun 10, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a janitor in that situation

Not that I really would anyway.

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by TB on Jun 9, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I didn’t see the end of the game, either, and I would equally impute poor sportsmanship to those who acted as you suggest.

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by TB on Jun 9, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see your point...

I’m just on the other side of things. Having played sports pretty competitively my whole life, it’s tough to lose any game, let alone when your season ends. And to see the leap LeBron took this year, none of us can possibly understand how much he’s putting into winning every day.

You said that he “knew, or should have known, that he’d get ripped for not shaking hands after the game” and I’d wholeheartedly agree. Everything these high profile athletes do is so calculated that they’re always worried about protecting their image. And that’s why I loved that LeBron was so upset about the loss that he dropped his guard and – for once – did/said something the media didn’t want him to. Call it bad sportsmanship or whatever, but these are grown men and they don’t always need to be patted on the back after a win. The fact that they’re playing this week while the Cavs are at home should be plenty of gratification.

by hiphopopotamus on Jun 10, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've played competitively, too...

…and I agree, it hurts to lose, especially when you know it’s over. I still think you should shake hands when you’re done, but that’s my opinion. Also, I agree that the Magic don’t need the congratulations, but I wasn’t speaking up for them. I don’t really care whether their feelings are hurt or not. My point was solely that I consider it poor sportsmanship not to shake hands.

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by TB on Jun 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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