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Postgame Reaction: Oklahoma State

While last night's 77-71 loss to Oklahoma State probably seals our fate for the NIT, I just can't get down on Frank Martin or the team.  They played with incredible heart, got up and dusted themselves off after several big runs by the Cowboys, and gave themselves a chance to win after the last media timeout.

As you know, I usually go through the things I liked and the things I didn't like from the previous game, but there's no need for that after last night.  It certainly wasn't a perfect performance by any stretch of the imagination.  But our guys never hung their heads and fought to make up for their mistakes.  On top of that, they were playing a hot team, on the road, on senior night.  That's just a tough setting.  Our players turned in a sterling performance in a big game, so I'm not going to fault them for the inevitable mistakes made.

So instead of discussing what I liked and what I didn't, I'll focus on what it means and where we're going.  On Saturday, we take on Colorado in the regular season finale.  It's senior day for Darren Kent, who has made tremendous contributions to this program over the years and worked hard for three different coaches in his time.  I hope the crowd shows up for DK, because he deserves it.  In addition, it is still an important game, as a win keeps us in contention for the fourth seed in the conference tournament, which would make a lot better our odds of making a run in OKC.  If we are the five seed and have to play four games in four days, it's going to be very difficult - not that it's going to be easy anyway - to make the run that we will need.

So here's the deal.  We have to beat Colorado on Saturday.  If we do that, we need to cheer for KU to beat Texas in Lawrence on Saturday, and also for Oklahoma to beat Oklahoma State in Norman.  If that happens, we will be in at least a three-way tie for fourth at 9-7, and possibly a four-way tie if Texas A&M defeats Colorado and Missouri this week.  No matter the size of the tie, we will win the tiebreaker, because in every scenario Texas emerges from the South tiebreaker and we own the head-to-head victory over them.  Undoubtedly, UT fans and Tim Griffin will complain that the tiebreaker is eminently unfair for some reason (OK, I'm just kidding on that one, they like head-to-head so much they'll probably swallow the bitter pill that is losing a tiebreaker to K-State).

I have been asked by Rush The Court to write a post making the case for K-State to be in the NCAA Tournament.  Obviously, our at-large hopes are pretty much out the window, but as the KC Star blog "Upon Further Review" noted this morning, we could get back in the at-large picture, namely if we can manage to beat Texas and KU in the conference tournament to qualify for the finals, likely against Missouri or Oklahoma.  That seems like a long shot to me, and if you're going to make the conference finals, you might as well just win the damn thing, right?  Yeah, if only it were that easy.

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Ok, what happens....

If Texas beats KU – and we end up in a 3 way tie with OSU and aTm. Who gets the tiebreaker between just OSU and aTm? How does all that work out if OSU does? Would we be the 6 seed then?

Also, giving that we win on Saturday, what is our worst seed posibility if everything else goes to hell? Wouldn’t we be tied with aTm therefore claiming the 6th seed?

Even if aTm wins out – are they destined for a 7 seed no matter what?

If we end up a 4 seed, we’ll most likely have, UT, KU, then OU.
If we end up a 6 seed, we’ll most likely have Tech, MU, OU, KU.

I’d almost rather be a 6 seed……

Confused? You won’t have to be if UT loses to KU and OSU to OU.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think if Texas wins, we win, aTm wins and OSU loses...

The seeds are:
4. Texas
5. K-State
6. aTm
7. Ok State

This Bracket Generator was posted at GoPowercat.com if you want to try a few scenarios.

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Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Mar 4, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I forgot where that link was - thanks

So basically if we win against CU, the worst seed we can get is the 6 seed.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Then again...

I’m not sure what the draw order drop-down boxes at the bottom of the page do or how they work. They frighten me.

Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i don't know what those are about

unless that’s the last possible tiebreaker – kind of like a coin flip I guess….

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...

tiebreakers to be decided by MadCat. Got it.

Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been using preseason projections for those in Outlook

Not really fair anymore, as they give Baylor a totally unearned advantage, but I figured it was better than just pure random chance.

Not that it matters, since never through 15 editions has it come down to any of those tiebreakers in any of my projections.

by BracketCat on Mar 5, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I had been wondering...

how that three way tie would work that you outline above and it still doesn’t add up to me.

So if you tie with Texas and OSU, you guys take the four seed by virtue of Texas winning the tiebreaker with OSU and you winning the tiebreaker with Texas? That seems strange to me, since OSu would win any tie-breaker with you…

Obviously I get why you’d win any tie-breaker with Texas, or A&m if they slip in…but how if OSU is involved would they get cancelled since they’d win one with you? Especially since there isn’t an official divisional split, this doesn’t make sense to me.

by hiphopopotamus on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the way the tiebreakers work

is that they settle all tiebreakers first through the team’s own north or south division. lucky for us OSU can’t win any of the tiebreakers in most scenarios

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It all has to do with the Texas, Texas Tech, OU triangle of BCS despair.

…not really; but it would make a good book.

Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Mar 4, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2008-2009

The year of the tiebreaker…..

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh...

I bet it was worse than Y2K.

Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If that happens...

…we’ll have to see if OSU bitches as much as Texas did in football.

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by TB on Mar 4, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd hope not

It’s not a matter of being left out of a title game, it’s just the seed. They’re still trying to get a spot in the NCAA tourney so a first round bye may not be as helpful as an extra win in the conference tourney.

Us, on the otherhand, really need the bye since we’re going to have to make it to the championship anyway. An extra win against CU doesn’t do anything for us at this point. We need big wins now and don’t want an extra “play-in” game to tire us out.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Mar 4, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't seal anything, TB

11 conference wins remains the magic number. That means we would have beat likely No. 5 seed Texas again (moving us to 4-5 against Top 50 RPI wins) and likely No. 1 seed Kansas (a Top 10 team and probable regular season champions, moving us to 5-5 against Top 50 RPI wins) to reach the title game.

That seems daunting, but we have already beaten Texas and we have come damn close to scaring Kansas – we just didn’t finish. I wouldn’t bet against this team and this coach when their backs are against the wall.

by BracketCat on Mar 4, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Top 50 RPI TEAMS, not wins

Slow down and type straight, Bracket…

by BracketCat on Mar 4, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Notice I said "probably"...

…it’s pretty rare that anything is certain in my world.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Mar 4, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...

…I meant to mention this in the post, but thanks to everyone for participating in the open thread last night. That was, by far, the biggest open thread in BOTC history.

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by TB on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I thought it might have been

When are they going to start linking those on Yahoo’s scoreboard?

by BracketCat on Mar 5, 2009 1:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another aside, for hiphop...

…I quote the following from the Big 12 Men’s Basketball Media Guide:

“For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two "divisions” based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division."

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Bring On The Cats

by TB on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No problem...

…I was curious myself after your comment, so I looked it up.

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Bring On The Cats

by TB on Mar 5, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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