If You're Looking for a Sympathetic Victim, You Could Do Better Than Nebraska
by TB on Dec 7, 2009 11:17 PM CST
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Unless you've been living in a cave for the last 48 hours -- and in some areas of the northern Great Plains, a cave would be preferable to the weather outside -- you know that Texas didn't lose to Nebraska, 13-12, in the Big 12 Championship game, played at God's Stadium in Arlington, Texas, on Saturday night. Chances are also good that you know there was a fair amount of controversy involved in the end of that game. Despite declaring that he knew full well how much time was on the clock, Colt McCoy's last pass bounced off God's Turf with somewhere between 0.3 and 0.5 seconds left on the clock. Had he put another three feet of air under the ball, no Big 12 referee could have put time back onto the clock, no matter how badly Dan Beebe and Walt Thompson wanted Texas in the national title game.
But, as you know, a second was put back on the clock, Hunter Lawrence bought himself a lifetime pass of free tail in Austin -- no small accomplishment, that -- and Texas will advance to Pasadena to play the Alabama Crimson Tide for the MNC. Such events unleashed unending wailing and gnashing of teeth to our immediate north, and not because the state is going to be buried under a foot of snow by daybreak Tuesday, but because the clock had read 0:00, their team had been ahead, and somehow they still lost.
The first of the wailing came shortly after the game, as Carl Pelini loudly instructed Texas' players and coaches that they should not be proud to accept the trophy. It continued in the locker room as Bo Pelini did his best Mark Mangino impersonation. Onward it went, as Bo, sounding a little like the kid on the playground who knows he's about to get into a fight he can't win, summoned the principal Tom Osborne. Dizzying heights of obvious frustration and disrespect were reached when Osborne failed to shake Beebe's hand. Today, even neutral arbiters took up the cudgel for the Huskers, while the locals tried -- and failed -- to make a single coherent point in their own defense.
Nebraska wants you to believe it's the victim in all of this. They want you to believe they got jobbed by the monied elite in Austin, who have pretty much gotten their way with everything since 1995. They want you to believe that, but they leave out the most important fact: they themselves are also the monied elite. While they will complain to no end about Texas' humongous budget and ridiculous facilities and air of entitlement, they'll hope everyone overlooks the fact that they have a budget nearly as obscene, facilities nearly as sparkling, and a fanbase that feels at least as entitled to success as Texas does. This isn't the Yankees and the Royals. This is the Yankees and the Red Sox.
Nebraska, including Osborne and Harvey Perlman, will play the role of the downtrodden for the unexamining eye of the national punditry, but we know better. We know that if Nebraska ever really wanted to do something about "the system," it would add its vote to the other eight schools who want equal revenue sharing in the conference to take money away from those greedy bastards in Austin. But Nebraska won't do so, and in fact has publicly declared that it won't do so, because it benefits from the same system it now deplores.
Look between my thumb and forefinger, Pelini, Osborne and Perlman. I think you know what it is and what it's playing for you.
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Amen
The Pelini’s are insane. Osborne…as much as people talk about the guy like he’s a retired pope or whatever…he seems like a dick. What blows my mind about Osborne being pissed is that he was up in his suite, surrounded by TV’s and JJ’s 40 million dollar drive in theater, where he would have been able to clearly see that the correct call had been made. When you’re the villain every other time, it’s hard to feel sorry for you the one time you get screwed, you big red bitches-true story.
by williewildcrack on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Should add some good jokes should the Big 12 go on another adventure.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Dec 8, 2009 5:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what a bad spectacle for the big 12
Texas won…period. Everyone knows that is was the right call. So they need to stop crying like little babies who believe (Osborne included) they are ENTITLED to more than other schools because of their name. They don’t realize how childish and stuck up it makes them look. If my coach acted that way I would be embarrassed terribly. Try being Kstate in 1998 and getting bumped to the alamo bowl when we should have been playing for the national championship, that was a broken system. I love listening to them because it’s like watching someone shoot themselves, no class whatsoever. Maybe Snyder should send a sympathy card :(
Wildcat for life
by mjk7166 on Dec 8, 2009 7:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's almost the offseason
Does that mean more articles about the Big XII’s revenue/power structure and Adventures in the Big XII? Is it bad that I’m actually excited about the possibility? I’d rather have more football (hello bowl season!), but these types of articles always interest me.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 8, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The way work has been for me lately...
…I’d just welcome having the time to write anything. And because we actually have a good basketball season to look forward to, I’m sure that will occupy some of our time. But this is BOTC, after all, and it just wouldn’t be right to go long without revenue/power structure posts. We always welcome your input, as you know.
Maybe I should talk to Peter about starting a Big 12 Policy Blog?
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Their latest argument seems to be..
that the call should not have been reviewed. It’s not in the rule book to review this type of play. To me, that just seems petty. I don’t care if it’s reviewable or not (though I have seen ‘time’ issues reviewed NUMEROUS times), I’m all for using the technology that exists to make sure the right call is made. EVERYTHING should be reviewable if there is video evidence to overturn a play. PERIOD. There was a second on the clock. Get over it. I was rooting for Nebraska in this game (hey, you gotta pick somebody and those SOUTH bastards have got to go!) but I felt they lost the damn game when their kicker was stupid enough to kick the ball out of bounds. I don’t even blame the guy for the horse collar because honesty, it looked accidental to me. Giving them the ball at the 40 was insane. That’s where they lost the game not from the officials.
by jboot1 on Dec 8, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing Larry Asante does is an accident
Dirtiest player in the Big 12, for my money.
by BracketCat on Dec 8, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And ironically, if he were on your team, he’d be the only player on your team drafted.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jeron Mastrud and Jeffrey Fitzgerald
Seriously, if you can’t flame without facts, then don’t even try.
Dumbass.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fitzgerald is fat and slow and will have a hell of a time making a roster.
I forgot about Massturd, he’ll be a damn good tight end.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 6:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I am arguing with a 3-yearold here
So I’m just going to stop. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m 5 1/2, get it right.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW...
I think it was bone-headed for Texas to not call a timeout. I would have laughed if they had indeed run out of time. Wasn’t it the ULaLa game where this very thing happened to us at the end of the game? (I’m not sure since I was confined to Wyattvision.) That being said, I agree with the refs putting time back on the clock…refs do that ALL THE TIME.
Also, the more teams that feel the inequities of the Big 12 revenue sharing the better. I am so envious of the SEC with their TV contracts. Vanderbilt makes more money off of TV than Notre Dame! Meanwhile, the haves of the Big 12 will continue to leech off of the have-nots until they decide to jump ship to another conference while the world passed by the lesser schools of the Big 12.
Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!
by MadCat on Dec 8, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly Mack Brown was trying to call a time out with about 15 seconds left
But couldn’t get the refs attention. I wasn’t there, and they didn’t show Mack on TV, so I don’t know.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 8, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing he wasn't trying hard enough.
There’s 7 refs on the field, one of them would have noticed it.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Dec 8, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't want your sympathy.
And Bo and Carl calmed down at the presser
By that time, Carl Pelini had cooled off. He stood outside the locker room, back against a wall, heaping praise on his defense like never before.
"They played like champions. And they are champions."
I know you all hate Bo cause he went and yelled at Snyder waaaay back when, but honestly I like the passion.
You can't possibly be a scientist if you mind people thinking that you're a fool.
~Wanko the Sane
Big Red Kool-aid Drinker @ Corn Nation
by JLew on Dec 8, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Might I suggest a compromise proposal?
Declare yourselves Big 12 Champions* with an asterisk. It worked for Texas last year.
by BracketCat on Dec 8, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Fuck Nebraska. I loved the end of that game.
by BracketCat on Dec 8, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The end of that game was the greatest thing that could have happened. Seeing Nebraska come so close, just to have it ripped (horse-collared?) away…brilliant! My favorite part was probably when Nebraska lost. Did you see that part? You know, when the game was over and they had fewer points than Texas? Good stuff.
by williewildcrack on Dec 8, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WE should be
thankful Bo Pelini said what he said …..We all go it is true and someday it might be us in Nebraska’s spot. As much as I laugh at the guy, he did everyone in the north a HUGE favor, IMO
by KSU on Dec 8, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Except they didn't get screwed
They don’t have a clue what screwed it. Screwed is an Alamo Bowl in 1998.
by BracketCat on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nebraska have only themselves to blame...
Kicking the ball out of bounds on the kick-off and horse collar tackling (Asante) is what lost NU the game not the refs.
by Catbacker98 on Dec 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The kick off and the horse caller is a non point the game was over. How do they lose the game when it is over. Can’t wait for the response.
by JStarr on Jan 3, 2010 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Cat fans are fucking funny.
I heard that you guys put up a banner when recruits come in. It reads something like:
“K-State Athletics: Welcome, community college all-stars!”
Nebraska doesn’t want your pity.
You called the decade in which NU won 3 nat’l titles, your decade of dominance. Dumbasses. Hell, over the past five years you haven’t been the best team in your state.
As far as the schlock you wrote above, Nebraska knows it’s out-manned in this conference. We are even smart enough to know that the conference was actually designed to be the “anti-Nebraska” conference. Before Texas came in, we had the most money and the nicest facilities. But the rest of the Big 8, being as short-sighted as they were, decided to let Texas control EVERYTHING. The conference offices moved from KC to Dallas, the Big XII commissioner and head of officiating are both Texas grads, the Big XII championship game is being moved permanently to Dallas. If you don’t think the south has control over the Big XII you’re an idiot.
Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Colorado, and Iowa State should all be concerned, because you’re next. This isn’t always going to be Nebraska’s league, K-State, Missouri, or Kansas (especially with Gill) will eventually be top dog in the North and our problems from this past weekend will then become your’s.
Laugh at us now, but when it’s K-State on the short end, expect it back.
PS: For the rest of you yokels, let’s not make fun of coaches, you guys recycled a mediocre 80-year old coach from the 90’s to lead your team back to prominence, the punchline writes itself.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 8, 2009 5:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Dan Beebe is not a Texas grad. The founding commissioner Steve Hatchell was.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There are so many stupid things wrong with your post
That I’m not even going to contest them. I’ll just let the myopic ignorance stand on its own.
But thanks for visiting. I’m surprised you could even find your way here all the way from Planet Husker, being on the outer fringes of reality as it is.
by BracketCat on Dec 8, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's your post that's funny
Our “mediocre 80-year old coach” was 109-29 from 93’ to 2003’, and is responsible for the greatest turnaround in college football history… so you are spot on there Screwface.
What does it say about your program that we were 5-2 against you from 1998 – 2004 with all of our community college all-stars? (Spare me the irrelevant stats from you grandpa’s hay day in your response)
Is “this year” a part of the last 5 years? Because I’m pretty sure it is, and I’m also pretty sure WE BEAT KANSAS THIS YEAR… smart guy.
How does it feel to have coaches that go on rants like they are in their sophomore year of high school? Just curious. Cause it seems to happen about every other time I watch Nebraska play. It’s ok, the Pelini brothers will probably grow up some time this decade (but I wouldn’t hold my breath).
No one is laughing because you lost, we’re laughing because you have proven (once again) that you are sore F-ing losers.
My favorite part of the Big XII Championship game was when Bo Pelini dropped his gum (while in yet another childish tirade), then picked it up as if he was going to put it back in his mouth… then spitefully decided to chuck it as if he lost his ace in the hole. Classic!!!
How many times does he smack his gum during a game? Seriously. I count about 4 or 5 times a second. The average game lasts 3 to 3 1/2 hours… so it’s got to be in the thousands.
NEWS FLASH: The Big XII North hasn’t been Nebraska’s league since 1997 homer.
I'll have what you're smoking!
by ksuwild on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo
No one is laughing because you lost, we’re laughing because you have proven (once again) that you are sore F-ing losers.
+181
I couldn’t care less that Nebraska lost. I didn’t take any particular joy in it.
But the way Huskers have been falling over themselves this week to defend the indefensible is just hilarious.
You knew what you were getting when you hired the Pelinis. Great gameday coaches, great recruiters, terrible lack of self control. Now shut up and deal.
And the conspiracy talk? Batshit insane. Of course, this is the same fan base that ELEVEN YEARS LATER still grumbles in its sleep about the Eric Crouch facemask no-call. Whining is an art form in Nebraska.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of art forms, is K-State’s losing?
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
History lesson
“What does it say about your program that we were 5-2 against you from 1998 – 2004 with all of our community college all-stars? (Spare me the irrelevant stats from you grandpa’s hay day in your response)”
Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way. If you are going to bring up history, than we will, too. (Actually we will anyway, since we are the fourth winningest program in Division I football history). And history says we are 77-15-2 against you.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder
Actually, I have to side with you on this one. Bill Snyder is an outstanding coach and from what I’ve seen, a gentleman, too. He and Coach Osborne have been doing mentoriing programs in their respective states that have helped a lot of youth that have needed it desperately.
I don’t know why some Husker fans hate him. Yeah, he was 5-2 against us during a seven-year stretch, but Frank Beamer has won two straight against us, and every NU fan I talk to still likes him.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1 this year does not 5 make.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 8:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
97? Talk about living in the past. Short lived past at best. What bowl are the kitty cats playing in this year?
by JStarr on Jan 3, 2010 2:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I shouldn't even bother...
…with a poster who calls Bill Snyder a “mediocre 80-year old coach,” but sometimes I just can’t let ignorance stumble down the sidewalk without trying to help. This is one of those times.
The salient point of my entire post flew right over your head, which isn’t surprising given some of your comments. My point was not that we don’t expect to be bent to Texas’ every whim. It was that Nebraska actually has the power to do something about it, and they don’t, because they benefit from the system that they’re now bitching about. In fact, Nebraska benefits from the system even more than Texas does, because all five teams in its division end up foregoing money under the conference’s revenue-sharing plan, whereas only three of the teams in the South are in a similar position. If Pelini, Osborne, Perlman, and a certain segment of your fanbase would have just said “well, it really sucks that we lost a game on a last-second field goal,” I wouldn’t have bothered to write about it, and actually I probably would have offered a sympathetic response, because I actually was hoping Nebraska would win (two BCS bowl games = more money for the conference). But when Nebraska gets all victim-y on us, you can damn well expect that we’re going to remind you that you have all the power in the world to change this conference. It takes a 9-3 vote to amend the Big 12’s bylaws and rules. There are eight schools that want equal revenue sharing. Nebraska is not one of them. I hope I haven’t made it too complicated for you.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 8, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
please explain
In fact, Nebraska benefits from the system even more than texas does, because all five teams in its division end up foregoing money under the conference’s revenue-sharing plan, whereas only three of the teams in the South are in a similar position.
How are Big 12 North teams forgoing money while Nebraska is not?
by Beergut on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because we're never on TV
No revenue sharing = only the programs that get on TV all the time (NU, OU, UT and sort of A&M — and, inexplicably, KU every damn game this year) are generating profits.
FCS and Versus don’t pay the bills, yo.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not on TV because your not very good.
TB, fuck your nonsensical revenue sharing bullshit, if you want more money, do it the way we did, focus on something and excel. It’s honestly that easy.
As for the other poster, in regards to Snyder; your program was never any good, and you have done nothing that Nebraska hasn’t done better than you. As they say, “the sun shines on even a dog’s ass somedays.”
Bill Snyder is not a great coach, great coaches win games of relevance (National Championships.)
I agree completely with the sentiment that your entire post comes off with an air of little brother jealousy. I’m sorry you’re not great, or even good at anything, but it’s not the rest of the conference’s problem.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I include NU’s failures when I said that KSU has nothing better than Nebraska. Afterall, Ron Prince did beat Texas, twice.
We lost to Texas, not because of Secondgate, but because of our piss-poor offense. Adding 0:01 to the clock was the correct call.
Yes, the Pelini brothers are emotionally charged and thank God they are. We had the pulseless Billy C for 4 years who couldn’t get these kids to run through a sprinkler, let alone a brick wall for him.
I’ve come to terms with the loss. I mean, Pelini had them a horse collar and a second away from a BigXII championship and playing in the Fiesta Bowl in his second year.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If we had equal revenue sharing...
…then five teams in the Big 12 North would receive more money from the conference each year. Nebraska is the only school in the North that receives more money under the current system than it would under an equal revenue sharing system.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Won't change
Read my first post at the bottom of this page, and you will see why I hope we don’t change our vote.
When this conference was formed, you all could have stood up to Texas and said, “If you come into our conference, you will play by our rules.” But no, you had to bend over backwards to Texas’ every whim and vote their way EVERY time. Now you want something from us: Forget it.
I use to like all the Big 8 schools. I rooted hard for them in every non-conference game. But those votes made me realize what they thought of NU. So now all of you can go (bleep) yourselves. From now on, NU should vote in NU’s interest only; screw everybody else.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like someone has a superiority complex
and it isn’t very attractive. I’ve got a question for you and Screwface (and this is not directed towards the general Nebraska fanbase, just you two):
When/why did you guys starting acting like everything is yours to lose or that you invented football? I just don’t get it – I really don’t. All TB was doing in the original post was giving a little criticism with the way you are handling the loss. Then somehow you go into mini rants about how Nebraska is somehow better than everybody else in the conference?
TB, fuck your nonsensical revenue sharing bullshit, if you want more money, do it the way we did, focus on something and excel. It’s honestly that easy.
That has to be one of the most arrogant and narcissistic thing I have ever heard. You truly don’t understand how this works do you? I guess if it were that easy, we’d have twevle 12-0 teams in the conference every year right? We could just print out more money and then boom – we could finally excel at something!
As far as the schlock you wrote above, Nebraska knows it’s out-manned in this conference. We are even smart enough to know that the conference was actually designed to be the "anti-Nebraska" conference.
I love me a good conspiracy. Everybody’s out to get us! I believe that type of talk lands a few people in straight jackets.
Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!
by mystman995 on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know anything, I mean the most minute details of the formation of the Big XII? If you do and don’t see the anti-Nebraska bias, then you are by far the most oblivious person, EVER.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Screwface
Their problem is they don’t want to look at history. Look at my post down below and judge for yourselves. … That is, if you choose to look at it with open eyes, not purple or brunt orange glasses.
“When/why did you guys starting acting like everything is yours to lose or that you invented football?”
Hey, we weren’t the ones coming into this “new league” saying, “Do what we say or we’re bolting for the Pac-10.” That’s exactly what Texas did, and as a result, they got their way on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.
“I love me a good conspiracy. Everybody’s out to get us!”
11-1 on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE against a team coming off back-to-back national championship seasons and three straight years in the national championship game? What would you think?
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking
that you guys are the irrational ones.
What’s the problem with JUCO guys?
Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!
by mystman995 on Dec 9, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with JUCO guys, I was just taking a cheap shot. Dejon Gomes is one of our best players, and a juco transfer.
I have basically been being mean for the sake of being mean. I have nothing against K-State or many of it’s fans, I hung out with a few before the “BigXII North Championship game” in November. I have a problem with a select few who choose to post pictures of mentally handicapped people and insinuate it’s our coach.
Bill Snyder is a damn good coach who has done a ton for not only his school, but the entire BigXII North. I also respect him immensely for his educational work with JUCO kids and helping them graduate.
I still don’t understand how revenue sharing is going to act as the great equalizer. With exception to Colorado, I don’t know of any other BigXII north school struggling immensely from a lack of funding.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 6:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I would probably think Nebraska was wrong on most of the issues. If everyone else agrees on these things, perhaps they just think it’s better for the conference. It’s not a conspiracy just because no one agrees with you.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“Personally
I would probably think Nebraska was wrong on most of the issues. If everyone else agrees on these things, perhaps they just think it’s better for the conference. It’s not a conspiracy just because no one agrees with you.”
Oh, so Nebraska was wrong trying to keep the conference playing on the same level playing field as the rest of the country? When the Big 12 is the ONLY conference that doesn’t allow non-quals, etc?
Nice try, but no dice. I’m right.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know Nebraska threatened to leave as well, right?
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 6:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You know Nebraska threatened to leave as well, right?
Only because we saw the way the conference was going, and it wasn’t good.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This conference sure has been a disaster...
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 11:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't suppose you would think so.
Try living on this side of the tracks for a little while, though. And if you are truthful, you might have a different story.
by hskr4ever on Dec 19, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When/why did you guys starting acting like everything is yours to lose or that you invented football?
We learned it from Texas
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Revenue sharing is bullshit, if you don’t have the money, drop the program. It’s absolute crap to think that Texas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, whomever should give any of their well-earned money to a university who hasn’t earned it and doesn’t deserve it.
Mizzou’s been decent the past few years, and they get on TV, in turn getting more money and more exposure. More exposure means more kids are aware of your program, the more kids aware of your program, the easier it is to get better recruits, the better recruits you get, the better your program is, the better your program is, the more money comes in to the university. Learn the cycle, love it, embrace it, live by it and quit begging.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 4:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You miss the point that most Nebraska Fans are pissed about. If I was watching the same game with any other north team involved I would feel like the north got fucked. If any anti husker fan out there thinks that the big twelve conference powers that be didn’t want to see a big twelve team in the national championship game your kidding yourself. You must not get just how much money that makes the big twelve let alone Texas University. They might as well tell the north team not to even show up if they’re not undefeated. I only wish nebraska would have won for the shit storm it would have created. At least we would be closer to a play-off.
by JStarr on Jan 3, 2010 3:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My GOD!
You people are hateful over here. You got alot o’ nerve calling NU poor sports. Just look at this thread. It’s got an “I’m jealous of Nebraska” flavor to it!
by riff on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Poor Sports?
Now way guy, I love me some bitches. Thanks for coming off your cloud to speak to us though.
by williewildcrack on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jealous of your inability to handle a tough loss with dignity?
Hardly.
It’s not hate to call a spade a spade. Nebraskans are sore losers. It’s no surprise — you didn’t have any practice at it for more than 30 years, so you got a little rusty.
Now that the Order Is Restored, you’re right back to your old, humility-lacking ways.
Guess what? There’s at least six other teams that used to suffer 50-point losses to you on a regular basis that can’t stand you when you’re like that.
It never ceases to amaze me how Nebraska Fan’s life is woefully incomplete unless his team is loved and adored by all. Without that validation, the winning apparently is meaningless to them.
KU Basketball Fan is the exact same way. Validation is all they live for. Championships become meaningless. God help us if we ever become like that. The great thing about being a K-State fan is that every win carries great meaning and deep emotional significance.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on!
That about sums it up. These guys need validation like my dog needs me to reassure him during a thunder storm. The difference being that I actually like my dog.
by williewildcrack on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
be a sore loser than a sore winner.
Let me ask you, BracketCat, did you help put up the “Losers, turn here” signs at Maryville?
Stay classy.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I don’t do that sort of thing, because you’re right — that’s poor sportsmanship.
But so is flocking to somebody else’s blog, ignoring the validity of their arguments and fire-bombing them with a torrent of insults, condescension and poor logic.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I'd rather be a sore winner than a loser of any kind :-)
I think that’s the fundamental definition of a passionate fan.
I know, I know… semantics.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We got beat
we didn’t get beat because of a review. When the ball hit their was still 0:01 on the clock, review proved that. Believe me as much as I wanted it to read 0:00 it just didn’t. In Bo and Carl’s defense, I was at the game and in real time it looked like it was over. But, that is why their is review they got it right. That being said, I don’t want your sympathy nor expect it. We lost because our offense is terrible (an understatement) and our kickoff man couldn’t keep it in bounds, plain and simple. Now for the Husker haters. We do have great facilities, great tradition, and lots of money backing our program, no doubts. I will not apologize for that. The the program, as a whole, has worked very very hard to build everything that currently sits in Lincoln and it wasn’t done overnight by the way. That includes players, coaches, and fans too. I can’t blame Texas, OU, and Nebraska for not wanting to share revenue with someone who is not as commited to thier program as they are. If you want to compete at the national level consistantly, GET WITH IT!!!! Build some top notch facilities you have the coach. Snyder is awesome don’t waste his hard work a second time. Yes, I said K-State wasted the masterful job he did the first time. I have no doubt he’ll do it again. But, he isn’t a young guy anymore and guys like Bill Snyder don’t grow on trees. That brings me full circle, we have great facilities, tradition, and lots of donor money, no doubt at all. The question is why don’t you? It isn’t our fault. If you don’t like the bowl money you get: MAKE A BETTER BOWL!!!!!
by Huzkerfan on Dec 8, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
All bowl revenue is shared equally by all 12 member institutions...
…and I have Texas Wahoo to thank for reminding me of that months ago.
Look, I don’t disparage Nebraska its success, tradition, facilities or money, but the point is that your coaches and some of your fans act like your Texas’ victim, and you’re not. If you wanted to do something about the system, you could, but you don’t because you benefit from it, too. I wouldn’t say another word about that, but when you pretend that you’re among the conference’s downtrodden, I can’t let that pass.
Do you really think the other schools in the conference aren’t trying? Hell, even Baylor put a ton of money into its facilities. Our indoor practice facility is considered the best in the nation. Everybody’s trying, but to borrow one of your analogies, money doesn’t grow on trees.
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by TB on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The problem isn’t bowl revenue.
It’s TV revenue from the regular season.
Jeez, it’s like arguing with a brick wall sometimes.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly does your socialist agenda “fix” the Big XII’s issues?
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It makes the Big 12 more competitive
Isn’t that the point of a conference? A rising tide lifts all boats and all that? If it was just for scheduling purposes, I’m sure Nebraska could make do as an independent.
The point is that we all band together to collectively negotiate better bowl ties, TV contracts and so forth.
Wonder why the SEC and the Big Ten are kicking our ass as a marketable product? Equal revenue sharing has a lot to do with that.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fans
I think it has more to do with the number of fans those conferences have.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I am
sure K-State has some filthy rich alumni, hit them up, that is what we do.
by Huzkerfan on Dec 9, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're pretty well tapped out
Thanks to that whole Ron Prince/Bob Krause robbing the coffers thing.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have enough money
because we have to compete with KU every day for every single recruit and every single dollar and every single fan in the state of Kansas.
Nebraska football history would have been a lot different if they had to contend with a Nebraska State for the past 50 years.
Or any kind of a pro team, for that matter.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
dominated in the 90’s and early 00’s, so the Kansas arguement isn’t very strong. Fact is you made a huge blunder in Prince, similar to the Huskers with Callahan, but you got your coach back now, in Snyder. He will put a high quality team on the field every week and they will be successful. That will get the administration and the alumni behind them 100%. But, the K-State fan base needs to step up, SELLOUT YOUR STADIUM!!!!!!!! You guys need to fill it up against the warm up teams as well as the big games. If you do that week in and week out it will bring in a considerable amount of revenue and have an affect on the donors willingness to step up and put their name on something. It will work, I promise, it did at Nebraska. Control what you can control. The fan base can’t control Kansas, TV contracts, or politcs. But you can can control how many butts go out and support the Wildcats.
by Huzkerfan on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a piss-poor argument. Arizona competes with ASU, Oregon competes with OSU, Washington competes with WSU, Iowa competes with ISU, Virginia competes with VaTech, Oklahoma competes with OkState, Michigan competes with Michigan State, South Carolina/Clemson, North Carolina/NCState/Duke, Georgia/Georgia Tech, Alabam/Auburn, the four Cali schools, the 6+ Texas schools, the three Florida schools, Cincinnatti/Toledo/Akron/Ohio State/Ohio… What exactly was your point?
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 7:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the populations of all those states...
…and then look at the population of Kansas and you’ll have your answer.
On any given Saturday when K-State and KU play at home, there are approximately 90-100,000 people in the stands watching a Big 12 football game in the state of Kansas.
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by TB on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are never going to convince anyone to give you money so you can compete with them. McDonalds doesn’t give Burger King money in hopes that they get better. College athletics is business, and the point of every business is to make money.
What exact figures are you hoping for? I’m not trying to be patronizing, I’m honestly curious.
A BigXII Network would help, but there’s a big school in a big state in the south that wants to create their own athletics network. The deal that the SEC has worked out with ESPN will never be obtained by any other conference. The Big10 figured it out and makes more money than any conference, outside of the SEC, could ever hope for.
I’m interested in what you have to say. I’m actually a very open-minded individual who just likes to start shit sometimes, I apologize for any disparaging remarks I’ve made over the past few days.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 10, 2009 5:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said...
…go back and read some of my older posts, I’ve written extensively about this subject. Here’s a short breakdown of my points.
Your McDonald’s to Burger King analogy is inaccurate. I would agree that, say, Texas shouldn’t share money with Florida. But when you’re in a conference, the idea is that you’re banding together for the common good. I know the Big 10 shares all conference revenue (TV, bowls, everything) equally, and I think the SEC does so, too. As Bracket said, a rising tide lifts all boats.
Currently, the Big 12 shares all bowl revenue equally, and shares half the TV revenue equally. The other half is divvied up based on the number of times each school appears on TV, with appearances on ABC and ESPN being more lucrative than appearances on PPV. The numbers are released every year, and I don’t have the inclination to look them up now, but I know that a few years ago, Texas got $9 million, while K-State and Iowa State got about $6 million. If all the revenue had been shared equally, everyone would have got $7 million.
Now, I know that doesn’t sound like a lot of money, and someone said something to that effect on BON today, but that just proves my point. To Texas, $2 million really isn’t a lot of money, considering it has an athletic budget of more than $100 million annually. But to schools like K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, and to some extent Mizzou, Colorado, KU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State (at least prior to T. Boone’s spending spree), and extra million or two every year would be huge, considering the annual budgets of those athletic departments ranges from $30 million to about $60 million. That extra money could be used to increase coaching staff salaries to become more competitive with the bigger schools and other conferences, or it could be pumped into facilities to keep up with the current arms race, or it could be stored for a rainy day.
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by TB on Dec 10, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree to revenue sharing as long as it was limited to television money and bowl revenue.
Afterall, the only reason Nebraska got better in football every year was to keep up with Oklahoma, and vice versa. I have no problem with competition.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 10, 2009 10:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
TV money is all we are talking about
Bowl revenue already is shared from one large pool, even among teams that don’t go to bowl games.
by BracketCat on Dec 10, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can get on board with that. Universities make most of their money through home games anyway. I feel that Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma, because they are Nebraska, Texas and Oklahoma are going to get more TV love from ESPN which basically kills any chance of K-State, Iowa State, Baylor, etc to get in on the national spotlight which really puts a damper on their TV revenue.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 11, 2009 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you look up the population of Nebraska1.7 million compared to Kansas-2.8 million. You have a lot of good points but the last wasn’t one of them.
by JStarr on Jan 3, 2010 3:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem I have with the game
Evidently I’m one of the few Husker fans who agree that the one second should have been put back on the clock. But my problem is this: If the roles had been reversed — if Texas would have been leading 12-10 and Nebraska threw the ball out of bounds at that moment, would the officials have put a second back on the clock.
NO.
WHY?
BECAUSE IT WAS TEXAS. (There are even some Texas fans that I know that have admitted as much).
That’s the way it’s been ever since this clusterf**k conference was started. Favor Texas and put it to Nebraska.
Don’t think so? Lets go back to 1995 when this whole thing started, when we (NU) were told that the four Texas schools were “joining” the Big 8. Well, at some point magically that turned from an expansion of the Big 8 into a “merger,” forming in essence, a new conference (At Texas’ insistance, from what I understand). Since it became a new conference, they needed all new bylaws, which had to be voted on by the 12 conference members.
On the eve of the votes, it was reported that Texas was threatening to join the Pac-10 if they didn’t get their way on certain votes. Well, let’s see how those votes came out, shall we?
—Allowing non-qualifiers: 11-1 against (Nebraska the lone descender).
—Allowing non-qualifiers who go through a junior college first: 11-1 in favor (Nebraska the lone descender – not a single JC in Nebraska has football while nearly every JC in Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas does).
—Moving the Big 12 office to Dallas: 11-1 in favor (Nebraska the lone descender – that’s right, even KU voted for that one).
I would go on, but you get the picture. And the picture, basically, is this:
The other seven Big 8 Conference schools fell all over themselves to become Texas’ bitches rather than to do so much as throw NU a bone.
Then you wonder why we are so paranoid, especially when it comes to Texas. The other schools saw this as a way to stick it to Nebraska, and you can’t deny that, no matter how many times you spin it.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This Texas conspiracy thoery is nonsense
They would have put the second back on the clock no matter who was playing because that was the right call.
I don’t understand how Texas can so dominate everything in this league so as to have the rules bent to allow them to win, but they end up losing a controversial tie-breaker last year. Shouldn’t the Big XII have bent the rules to allow Texas to win last year? Or at least changed the rules after the season because Texas said so?
Also, why would Texas want JC players to qualify? Texas almost never has any JC players?
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Texas conspiracy
because it’s someone other than Nebraska winning.
I’m getting the feeling hskr4ever has got that new sibling jealousy syndrome. Mommy and Daddy (aka the Big 12) aren’t paying as much attention to them anymore..
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by mystman995 on Dec 9, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, like I said
even Texas fans I know said this.
“I don’t understand how Texas can so dominate everything in this league so as to have the rules bent to allow them to win, but they end up losing a controversial tie-breaker last year. Shouldn’t the Big XII have bent the rules to allow Texas to win last year? Or at least changed the rules after the season because Texas said so?”
Because the tiebreaker was with Oklahoma. Had it been with Nebraska, they would have changed it.
“It’s a Texas conspiracy because it’s someone other than Nebraska winning.”
Prove to me I’m wrong. I’ve given several examples where it’s been 11 vs. 1. Show me one time where it was Texas vs. Nebraska and Nebraska got the benefit…. one time.
Let me guess. The meaningless third-down reversal in the first quarter that led to a field goal that would have been a field goal any way.
Or maybe the kickoff in the fourth quarter when the guy was ruled down at the 1-yard line … which he was.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is that Texas and Oklahoma have scewed everything towards themselves
So the conference will cheat for either of them, but not against each other?
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that would make K State what? The retarded cousin we lock out in the backyard in hopes it will just go away?
I’m have no conspiracy theories regarding Texas, but plenty about the BigXII. Texas won. Period, everyone needs to get over it. They’re going to get absolutely waxed by Alabama and make the BigXII the laughing stock of the BCS, again.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Then how about you guys try a little harder...
…so you can step up to the SEC and the Big 12 will no longer be a laughingstock.
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by TB on Dec 9, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn’t be fair to the big XII north, if we left that would leave the rest of you with a combined 1 national championship in football. Eliminating any semblance of relevance that the division has.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
So the only team from the BigXII North that has ever been successful (with exception to KU in BBall) is causing the conference to be a laughing stock? Makes sense… I’m amazed you can even form coherent sentences.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm not the one who made the point...
…and I find it hilarious that you’re making fun of my intellect, when for the second time in this thread, my point zoomed right over your head.
You were the one who said that Alabama was going to absolutely wax Texas, which would make the Big 12 a laughingstock. My point was that, if Nebraska wants the Big 12 not to be a laughingstock (by your own measuring stick), then it just needs to try a little harder so that it can be the team that goes to the national title game and beats Alabama (or whatever SEC school is playing). According to a bunch of your fans on here, that’s all it really takes, right? You just have to try a little harder!
It had nothing to do with Nebraska leaving for the SEC (like they’d even take you), and it had nothing to do with what Nebraska has historically accomplished.
There, I used the simplest sentences I could manage. Like everything else on this thread, I’m guessing it will still not make any sense to you.
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by TB on Dec 9, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize TB, I misconstrued your statement.
I agree that we need to get better top to bottom in our conference. I, however, still don’t understand how profit sharing makes Baylor field a better product.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, all this snow is making me retarded.
I read your sentence as “why don’t you get better and step-in to the SEC?” Not “step-up to the SEC.”
That’s all it does take. Field a better team and win your games. I haven’t blamed our losses on anything other than our piss-poor excuse for an offense. I don’t blame trivial things like revenue-sharing for my team’s shortcomings.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Not now
But remember, Mack Brown wasn’t the coach back when the Big 12 was formed. It was John Mackovic.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be fooled
Texas knew the rule was as it was stated in the rule book, and it got a lot of national attention, so they couldn’t do anything about it. But I guarantee you, if Texas could have changed that rule somehow without anybody knowing it, they would have.
by hskr4ever on Dec 19, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would
but, see, all these issues that you guys voted against, to stay in lock step with Texas, are allowed in the SEC.
It’s amazing the Big 12 does as well as it does given all the handicaps we voted for ourselves.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
“So what you’re saying is that Texas and Oklahoma have skewed everything towards themselves? So the conference will cheat for either of them, but not against each other?
What I’m saying is the conference gives the appearance of being fair for all schools … but it is far from it. It’s the underneath things, such as putting a second back on the clock when you know damn good and well that if the roles were reversed, wouldn’t have happened.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BIG 12 FANS, ANSWER THIS
I still have not had a single poster answer this question:
If the roles had been reversed — if Nebraska was down 12-10 against Texas and threw a pass out of bounds as the clock ticked down to zero — would the officials have put one second back on the clock?
I say NO WAY, (and I have some friends who are Texas fans who agree with me; of course, the Texas and K-State people on here won’t address that).
What say you?
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they probably would have screwed you then
But it’s all hypothetical. And given WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, you did not get screwed. The call was correct.
There are enough grievances to hash over in the Big 12 without visiting hypothetical ones.
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its fantasy.....
the fact is Nebraska didn’t lose that game because of a referee. We lost that game because our offense is horrible, horrific, terrible, or any other adjective you can think of to discribe that mess. Our defense is great, one of the best in the country but they aren’t quite good enough to beat Texas all by themselves.
by Huzkerfan on Dec 9, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i whole-heartedly agree.
If we manage so much as one more field goal in this game, we’re not even having this conversation.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
See, that's what I'm saying
Nobody can give me a straight answer.
That means I’m right.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't. It means you're putting the cart before the horse.
You’re asking the wrong question first. The first question is not “If the roles were reversed, would they have put the second back on the clock for Nebraska?” The proper first question is “Was that replay even allowed by Big 12 rules?” Dan Beebe and Walt Thompson said it was. Others say it wasn’t. I don’t care enough either way to look it up. If you want to inform me, feel free.
Anyway, if we establish that the replay was proper, then I suppose you can still ask your hypothetical question, even though at this point I highly doubt anyone is going to give you an answer that’s going to satisfy you, short of a look inside the referee’s mind. If we establish that the replay was improper, then you may have a point, even if it doesn’t really answer your unanswerable question.
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by TB on Dec 9, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ANSWER THE QUESTION
Or are you afraid of what your answer is??????
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In your fantasy
scenerio and the rolls had been reversed. I believe one second would have been put back on the clock for the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Clear enough? Because that is what the replay showed. Like it or not their was one second on the clock when the ball hit the ground. Their is no grand Texas scheme to make them the king of the conference.
by Huzkerfan on Dec 9, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly couldn’t imagine the national backlash if the roles were reversed and we weren’t given the second. Lou Holtz would have yelled until his speech impediment was gone. We still have a large number of “fans” in the national media, Herbstreit being one of them (very good friends with the Pelinis.)
If the roles were reversed we would have been given the second back, period.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 9, 2009 8:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
“I honestly couldn’t imagine the national backlash if the roles were reversed and we weren’t given the second. Lou Holtz would have yelled until his speech impediment was gone. We still have a large number of "fans" in the national media, Herbstreit being one of them (very good friends with the Pelinis.)
If the roles were reversed we would have been given the second back, period."
Backlash has never kept officials from doing the wrong thing before.
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/bozich/2009/10/sec-apologizes-to-georgia-for-mistake.html
http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/1082/wac-apologizes-for-officiating-error
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4626266
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=93040&catid=2
Here’s a hypothetical story to go with these:
DALLAS (AP) — The Big 12 Conference on Monday apologized to the University of Nebraska for a officiating error in Saturday’s conference championship game at Cowboys Stadium.
Texas won the game 12-10 over Nebraska when Zac Lee tried to throw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. The conference said one second should have been put back on the clock, which would have allowed the Huskers to attempt a potential game-winning field goal.
The conference said, however, it would not be feasible to replay the one second; thus Texas would remain Big 12 champions.
The officials working the game will be suspended from working any spring games.
by hskr4ever on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude-a-kins
Buddy, this is just silly. Hypothetically, what if your hypothetical situation, hypothetically, I mean in hypothetical terms…never happened. You see, the reality is that Nebraska forgot to bring their offense to the game. That’s why they lost. I’m sure the Big 12 would have screwed you, given the opportunity or whatever, but what actually happened was that Nebraska lost. They did not give the game away. They did not have the game stolen from them. They flat out lost.That’s the crazy thing about football-1 team wins and 1 team loses. I
by williewildcrack on Dec 9, 2009 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Todd Haley has this one right
“I don’t do hypotheticals.”
by BracketCat on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One final point...
…for those Husker fans who think I’m being terribly unfair to them. Go back through the archives (I’ve noticed most of you just joined BOTC recently). There are plenty of posts where I excoriate Texas for different things and explain why equal revenue sharing benefits the conference. You may not agree, but at least read the arguments first.
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by TB on Dec 9, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
I missed all this. What the hell have I been doing?
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by Jon Johnston on Dec 9, 2009 11:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetical
I don’t know why you seem to think Nebraska wouldn’t have gotten the time back. I didn’t answer the question before because it seemed to dumb to answer. It was an obvious call that I can’t see not being made, no matter who’s playing. Maybe if we were talking about a close holding call or something like that.
by Texas Wahoo on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast!
It jumped up a notch.
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by mystman995 on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what I gathered from this....
TB has a really high IQ (obviously too high for some students fro some other not-to-be-named universities) and a LOT of patience. Nebraska fans proved my original point above on their sense of ENTITLEMENT. Texas fans are tolerable, at least when they win ;-) and Kstate fans, once again show class in the face of ignorance. I’m proud to be a Wildcat today.
Wildcat for life
by mjk7166 on Dec 10, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
60% of the time TB writes a think piece for BOTC
It confuses/riles up another team’s fanbase everytime.
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by mystman995 on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay no more anchorman references from me today...
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by mystman995 on Dec 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, posting a picture of a mentally handicapped person with the tagline “Don’t go full-on retard, Bo” is the epitome of class.
I understood TB’s point, I just didn’t completely agree with it. I don’t feel it’s Texas’, Nebraska’s, or Oklahoma’s place to make your team better. Much the same way I don’t feel Bill Gates should give Steve Jobs money to make Apple better.
PS: I’m proud to be a Cornhusker everyday.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 11, 2009 3:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you killed a man with a trident!!
Wildcat for life
by mjk7166 on Dec 10, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
Yall are doing a good job over here, Repping the Big XII in the blogoshpere well.
As for conspiracy theories etc: It just sounds like bitter paranoia, so lets leave it at that instead of trying to make opinions facts.
The thing I was disapointed in the most, which this article points out, was the class-less behavior by the Neb. Coaching staff especially Carl Pelini shouting Texas Players should be ashamed of themselves.
If that was a NU player, the coaches would have tackled him and drug his ass back to the locker room. Or so I thought before the end of that game.
"Texas Till I Die"
by Texas4Life on Dec 10, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
God forbid a coach gets riled up and says something in the heat of the moment.
Don’t forget that classless head coach from Nebraska voted your team number 1.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 10, 2009 6:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
But that's the thing
When you make more than a million dollars a year to be the face of your university, you simply can’t lose control.
Ever.
There always are cameras on you, and any misstep will be replayed on SportsCenter ad infinitum and reflect poorly on the institution.
Some Nebraska fans are misplacing their ire. They’re over here directing it at us, when they ought to be turning it on the Pelinis.
by BracketCat on Dec 10, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some players like that fire in a coach.
His entire tirade made him look silly, but doesn’t necessarily make anyone look “bad.” Denny Green’s presser after Arizona lost to Chicago made him the target of a lot of jokes but I don’t think anyone thought he was a bad coach because of it.
The only reason I think less of Mangino is because of his player’s personal issues that he publicly divulged in front of the team. If the entire ordeal had to deal with him putting his fingers in the chest of one his players, I’d tell that player to man up. I don’t think any of that even reflected poorly on the university.
Look at Indiana and Texas Tech with Bobby Knight at the helm. I don’t think his actions made the universities look bad, but he looked like an idiot sometimes.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 11, 2009 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Considering Denny Green got canned later that season
I’m not sure that’s the best example to use…
Oh, well. The good news is that when KU hires Harbaugh, he instantly will become the douchiest coach in the Big 12, so that should take some of the heat off Bo.
by BracketCat on Dec 11, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason?
What about the cheating and the academic fraud? Did that make you think less of him, or is that just “securing a competitive advantage.”
by BracketCat on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see this yet?
Wow, Bo. Just keep digging that hole.
by BracketCat on Dec 10, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
P.S. That's Suh's sister.
Creepy…
by BracketCat on Dec 10, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lolz. My wife and I noticed that last night. I don’t know what the hell he was thinking.
I have this theory that he’s pretending cameras and voice recorders don’t exist.
Hang 'em!!!
by Screwface on Dec 11, 2009 2:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Big 12 twelve hose job.
The play that ended the game in most of the country’s eye’s, most of all Nebraska fans is just one more black eye on college football. The officials ended up putting a second on the clock and technically got the call right in the eyes of the bcs. I don’t disagree with the fact that there was a time on the clock when the ball hit. What I disagree with is the officials decided to review the play when it matter most to getting the longhorns they’re win. Am I to believe the refs are going to begin reviewing every ball thrown away to make sure when it first hits something in relation to the time clock through out the whole game. I don’t think so. If your good with this your not a fan of college football your a fan of the Longhorns. The best part was McCoy saying he new that there was time left on the clock. Right. Maybe the play clock.
by JStarr on Jan 3, 2010 2:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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