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Postgame Reaction: KU

That, KU fans, is how your force a fumble. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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That, KU fans, is how your force a fumble. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

K-State defeated KU Saturday, 17-10, to return the Governor's Cup to Manhattan.  We'll get more into that in a moment, but first, an aside.

To all the KU fans who laughed at Bill Snyder's return, said there was no way he could turn things around because KU and Mizzou were sooo good now, who said after the Colorado and Oklahoma games that K-State wouldn't win another game this year, and to all the fans of all teams who said that K-State was stuck in a spiral of mediocrity from which it was unlikely ever to recover:

Go fuck yourselves.  The Legend is back.

Now, before we get into what I liked, what I didn't like and all the other stuff we usually do in this post, I want to look at a few numbers.  Here is a comparison of each of K-State's opponent's season averages and what they did against K-State (excepting Texas Tech, because we know they seriously exceeded all season averages in that game):

KU

--Averages: 431 yards per game, 303 passing ypg, 128 rushing ypg, 31 ppg

--Against K-State: 301 total yards, 241 passing yards, 60 rushing yards, 10 points


OU

--Averages: 413 ypg, 274 passing ypg, 139 rushing ypg, 30 ppg

--Against K-State: 458 total yards, 294 passing, 164 rushing, 42 points

Colorado

--Averages: 303 ypg, 217 passing ypg, 86 rushing ypg, 23 ppg

--Against K-State: 244 total yards, 184 passing, 60 rushing, 6 points

Texas A&M

--Averages: 478 ypg, 293 passing ypg, 185 rushing ypg, 36 ppg

--Against K-State: 301 yards, 314 passing, -13 rushing, 14 points

Iowa State

--Averages: 367 ypg, 181 passing ypg, 186 rushing ypg, 21 ppg

--Against K-State: 371 total yards, 164 passing, 204 rushing, 23 points

As you can see, with the exception of the Texas Tech and Oklahoma games, K-State's defense has held its opponents at or below their season averages in yards and points, sometimes significantly so.  Let's all stand up and give a big ovation to Vic Koenning and Chris Cosh.  This defense was 117th in the nation last season.  It currently ranks 43rd.  Before the season, we figured that if the defense could improve to even somewhere in the 80s in total defense, it would be a remarkable turnaround.  With two games left, it's possible this defense finishes in the top 40, and almost assured that it finishes in the top 50.  Simply incredible.

Star-divide

What I liked...

...riding the D-Train.  Whereas a lot of teams and players see their numbers fall when they get into conference play, this guy has just gotten better.  Yesterday, it was 184 yards on 24 carries (7.7 yards/carry) and one touchdown.

...more wizardry from Vic Koenning and Chris Cosh.  At times this season we've been critical that our defensive coordinators play too much soft zone, but there's a clear reason why they're being paid to do the job while we pay to sit in the stands.  Yesterday, as has been the case most of the season, the plan was to keep things in front of us, swarm to the ball and tackle well, and force the opponent into long drives.  The longer the drive, the better chance of forcing a fumble or getting a stop on a third down.  Even on KU's last drive that resulted in points -- the field goal with 5:20 remaining -- the beaks had to run 16 plays just to cover 57 yards, and required two third-down conversions and one fourth-down conversions.  It's frustrating that we didn't get the stops when we had a chance, but when you force third downs, the odds are that you'll get stops eventually.

...more disciplined play from the offense.  While this team has more weapons than opponents would like to admit, it's not going to put up big numbers most of the time.  The key is that Bill Snyder, Dana Dimel and Del Miller recognize that and don't try to force the issue.  Grant Gregory is an average-at-best passing quarterback in the Big 12, but the coaches don't try to turn him into Colt McCoy or Landry Jones.  They recognize that running the ball, controlling the clock, and limiting turnovers is how to win games with this team.  Amazingly, outside of the late INT against Oklahoma last week, this team has not turned the ball over since the Iowa State game.

...throwing it deep on first downs.  I may be in the minority in this one, because the inability to convert ended up leading to three second-and-tens, but the two first-down throws to Brandon Banks were good calls.  The coordinators seemed to find a weakness, as Banks was open on both throws.  Unfortunately, Gregory missed on the first throw (not to mention Banks didn't make the best play on the ball), and Banks just flat dropped what would have been a touchdown on the second throw.  So they didn't work, but here's a copy-and-paste of what happened on first down on the next possession:

Gregory, Grant rush for 13 yards to the KU11, 1ST DOWN KS, out-of-bounds (Dudley, Drew).

Even though we couldn't capitalize on the throws, we got KU on its toes, and it opened up a nice running lane for Gregory.

...KU fans claiming that they gave this game away, and that we did nothing to win it.  It's clear that these fans have already forgotten how KU had its success in 2007.  There is more than one way to win a football game.  One way is to line up with superior athletes, chuck it all over the lot, and put up a ton of yards and points.  This works fine if you're Texas or Texas Tech or Oklahoma.  But there's another way to win football games, and it's something SEC teams have been mastering for years now.  Play sound defense that doesn't give up big plays and makes the offense earn everything they get, and protect the ball on offense.

Along with that, it's laughable to claim that KU had more to do with losing this game by turning the ball over than K-State winning it.  On both of Todd Reesing's fumbles, the ball was forced out.  Josh Moore forced the first one by getting a hat and shoulder right on the ball, and Jeffrey Fitzgerald (I think) slapped the ball out while pursuing from behind on the second one.  Now, could both of those have been prevented?  Yes, but just about any mistake in a football game can be prevented, it's whether or not the players actually execute.  Reesing didn't slide and didn't protect the ball, and our players made him pay for it.  On the interception, Reesing could have prevented it by checking down to Opurum in the flat, but he forced it downfield into double coverage and threw it right to Emmanuel Lamur.  Again, entirely preventable, but the game comes down to players executing.  Our players were in position, and Reesing didn't make the play he should have.

What I didn't like...

...well, um, not much.  Moving on.

What it means and where we're going...

In terms of this rivalry, it means the Governor's Cup is back at Vanier Football Complex and that you have scoreboard for the next year over your friends, coworkers and neighbors who are KU fans.  In a slightly different sense, it shows a sea tide of change from last year's result.  K-State got run over in Lawrence last season by a KU team that ended 8-5.  Though yesterday's win wasn't an utter pwning like last year was, it signals something significant in this series.  With what was supposed to be their "History Awaits" squad -- now changed to "History, uhh, waits" -- KU couldn't even beat a K-State team that was a popular pick to finish last in the North.  Now, with Snyder back and getting this team into position to make a bowl game and in control of its destiny in the Big 12 North, K-State is a team on the rise while KU will have to pick up the pieces after this year as it loses Reesing, Kerry Meier, Dezmon Briscoe, Jake Sharp and Darrell Stuckey.

In terms of the conference race, it once again means that K-State still controls its own destiny in the North.  Nebraska's improbable victory over OU last night is neither here nor there, although it certainly wouldn't have hurt to see them lose.  If we win next Saturday at home against Missouri and then go to Lincoln and win on 11/21, we will play in Dallas for the Big 12 Championship.  That's not to say I won't be cheering like hell for KU to beat Nebraska this weekend, or for Colorado to beat them in Boulder, because a little help never hurts and it's not like we can just count on winning in Lincoln.  But the fact remains that if we go 2-0, we will have won the Big 12 North and Snyder will deserve National Coach of the Year honors.

Previous Opponent Roundup

Massachusetts beat Northeastern, 37-7, to move to 5-4 (3-3 CAA) on the season.

Louisiana beat Arkansas State, 21-18, to move to 5-4 (3-2 Sun Belt) on the season.

UCLA finally got a Pac-10 win, beating Washington, 24-23, to move to 4-5 (1-5 Pac-10) on the season.

Nobody cares how Tennessee Tech did.

Recaps for Big 12 opponents are below (Texas Tech was idle).

Texas 35, UCF 3

A bit of a sluggish start (scoreless after one quarter, 14-3 UT lead at halftime) gave way to an easy victory over Central Florida.  Colt McCoy put up huge numbers on the day, throwing for 470 yards.  A mere 273 of those yards went to Jordan Shipley (did you know he's McCoy's roommate?!?!).  Texas has it set on cruise control toward Dallas, with only games against KU, Baylor and Texas A&M remaining.

For more: Burnt Orange Nation

Up next: Baylor (Waco, Texas), 11/14

Colorado 35, Texas A&M 34

I've given up trying to figure out either Colorado or Texas A&M.  Colorado hasn't been able to move the ball against a stiff breeze most of the year, and suddenly the Buffs go off for 437 yards against A&M.  Hey Aggies, be sure to take your medication this week, this bipolar act is getting old.

For more: The Ralphie Report, I Am The 12th Man

Up next: Colorado vs. Iowa State (Ames, Iowa), 11/14; Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma (Norman, Okla.), 11/14

Oklahoma State 34, Iowa State 8

This game was a real snoozer.  I tried to listen to some of it on XM on my way back to Kansas City, but Okie State led 27-0 in the third quarter and nothing of interest was happening.  Despite getting Austen Arnaud and Alexander Robinson back on offense, ISU couldn't do anything right in tallying only 242 total yards and one touchdown with the game already well in hand.  Good bounceback for Okie State, as the Cowboys are positioning themselves for a nice bowl trip if they finish strong.  Meanwhile, the Cyclones are searching for that one more win they need for bowl eligibility.

For more: Clone Chronicles

Up next: Oklahoma State vs. Texas Tech (Stillwater, Okla.), 11/14; Iowa State vs. Colorado (Ames, Iowa), 11/14

Nebraska 10, Oklahoma 3

I consider this game some small measure of the universe righting itself after Nebraska turned the ball over eight times in a home loss to Iowa State two weeks ago.  Landry Jones apparently was not informed before the game that Shawn Matt O'Hanlon was not on his team, as he proceeded to throw the ball into the Irishman's waiting arms three times (he had five total interceptions in this game).  Nebraska's only touchdown drive of the night was a remarkable one-yarder after Landry Jones, you guessed it, threw an interception.  For the night, Nebraska "gained" 180 total yards (I want someone to tell me who the last Big 12 team was to win a game in which they gained less than 200 total yards).  Nebraska now has a closing stretch that includes road games with KU and Colorado and a home game with K-State.  Their defense will shut down or severely limit all three of those teams, but the question is whether their offense can do enough to win (or, at least as was the case last night, not turn the ball over).

For more: Corn Nation, Crimson and Cream Machine

Up next: Nebraska vs. KU (Lawrence, Kan.), 11/14; Oklahoma vs. Texas A&M (Norman, Okla.), 11/14

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Forgot Baylor/Mizzou

Sorry, I was in a hurry. For anyone who missed it, Baylor shocked MU, winning 40-32.

We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats

by TB on Nov 8, 2009 12:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

win at Nebraska = Big 12 Championship

someone should double check my math/reasoning, but regardless of what happens against Missouri, if KSU beats Nebraska they’re in the Big 12 Championship game, right?

Not that a win Saturday won’t be huge for bowl implications and momentum and confidence and everything else, but everything rides on the Nebraska game. the only way that game doesn’t decide the North champ is if the Huskers lose to KU and CU. not that this matters too much, i just like to understand all the potential scenarios.

I'm hiding out in the big city blinking.

by bludevil33 on Nov 8, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's right.

The only way K-State@Nebraska doesn’t decide the North is if K-State beats Missouri and Nebraska loses to both Kansas and Colorado.

Personally, I’m going to root for both of them to win all their other games just so the North winner will be 6-2 and 2nd place is 5-3, because I want all the people who said 4-4 or 3-5 could win the North to look silly.

by grmann on Nov 8, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

The Missouri game essentially means nothing to the winning the North (because I don’t really see Nebraska dropping to both KU and CU) for us and the Nebraska game is the only one that matters. The MU game is our best shot at bowl elibility though – so I suppose both games can be considered the biggest games of the year for us.

-With Nebraska’s remaining schedule, I still think they are the favorite to win the North. They’ll have to fumble their way out of the Big 12 championship game….
-Missouri is officially dead. A KSU win or Nebraska win sends them packing – and since we both play each other still, one of us will have to win the game pushing MU out. If we win, we’ll have a better record, and if NU wins they will own the tie breaker.
-KU is officially out. We have a tiebreaker on them if they somehow win out.
-ISU is officially out since we own the tie breaker on them.
-CU is technically still in it. A K-State win or if Colorado drops another one, they’re out.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 8, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

Nice response Tye, I especially liked that all the haters can go fuck themselves, Haha, I believe to told quite a few KU fans that in Aggieville last night.

by Gigs on Nov 8, 2009 4:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tennessee Tech got shut out by Georgia

Ouch. They must be really, really bad.

by BracketCat on Nov 8, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can we please...

find a way to attach Willie’s head so it won’t come off when he tackles people!?!? Twice in three years? Ridiculous!

by Mrfphy on Nov 8, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhhh....

…..sweet, sweet irony. Instead of the results of Farmageddon determining who got to stay out of the north basement, KU could possibly be battling MU in the “WGAF” Bowl* at Arrowhead at the end of the year to see who stays out of the basement.

*Who Gives A Fuck Bowl.

by Catfan33 on Nov 8, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Its ok i was looking at a 7-5 season this yr anyway

an 8-4 would be good too 9-3 was a nice thought,(dare we dream). But we could end up in the basement this yr.,and thats ok it is what it is.We are rebuilding the program after losing a ton of talent,but our down time wont last long. And im sure it wont be dark in the basement,because the previous tenants lease isnt up and im sure they left the light on,knowing they would be back.

by Bestofthewest on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

umm....

what?

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 9, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What im saying is that we win 2 of our last 3 games we get a bowl game

 I believe we only need 1.And finish at what I expected us to do. And they perenial bottom feeder will be back there again ISU. Congrats to KSU for a good year, you jumped out and surprised everybody.

by Bestofthewest on Nov 9, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way....

…. best shirt of the day goes to the drunk guy wobbling outside of So Long Saloon that read, “Jesus hates KU.” Proof that even the Almighty is on our side.

by Catfan33 on Nov 8, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Go fuck yourselves?

Stay classy, Cat fans. Congrats on the big win.

by KU Grad 08 on Nov 8, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

There is a sentiment amongst KSU fans (and Missouri fans)...

that KU fans are quick to point out how great they are and how bad you are. True or not, as a KSU fan living in Kansas City, I had to put up with a lot of unfounded claims about how great KU football was, is, and will be. There is a part of me that is happy the KU fan base is so deflated; it makes my life just a little bit easier.

No, the response wasn’t tactful, but at the same time, there is no love lost between these two schools and fans. I would not consider KU fans to be “classy”. Nebraska fans aren’t “classy” either. No fan base is. Your team loses, you will lick your wounds to a chorus of trash talking. That’s sports.

As I mentioned on RCT, I will be civil during serious discourse, but I like throwing a little humor out there every once in a while. I wanted to put together a much more scathing joke photo against Reesing last night, but I refrained because I thought pointing out KU’s asinine ad campaign and subsequent failure to even come close to attaining their unrealistic goals was enough. There’s no need to personally attack a kid (at this point) who is being attacked by his own fans for not living up to their insane expectations.

I have no love for KU, but that doesn’t make me a bad or petty person. It makes me a fan of a school that doesn’t like them much. So, this isn’t simply “derrrrr…I hate KU”. It’s called being a sports fan and relishing a victory over a hated rival. No fan base is above it.

Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy

by Panjandrum on Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that is some effective linkage.

Well played sir. Unfortunately, I think my computer has bird flu now. Side question: Am I the only guy here that doesn’t personally know everyone else?

by rydonmf on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, I've only met TB.

Hail to the Purple, Hail to the White
Wildcat in spirit, Wildcat in fight
Hail Alma Mater from sea to sea
Onward forever, Hail Victory!

by MadCat on Nov 9, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's the other way around.

Where most people don’t personally know anyone else.

I know TB and have briefly met Pan at TB’s wedding, but that’s it.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 9, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like to lay low and remain underground...

That and I can only leave the house when my wife says it’s okay.

(In the rare event my wife ever reads this site, I’m just joking.)

Bring on the Cats
"Without getting into specifics, my exit involves a McFlurry machine and a video tape of risque commercials from overseas." -- Jack Donaghy

by Panjandrum on Nov 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't use it in posts aimed at other fanbases

And we all swear during OGTs, in fun and out of anger. You pointing out I’ve sworn on RCT (in open game threads mostly joking when we all do all the time) does not remotely compare to the tasteless swearing at a fan base in a post regardless of a rivalry.

Fuck you KU > “We are playing like shit right now.” “Extra point bitches” (a joke) “Damn Versus isn’t working” “damn” The only examples of my swearing from the entire ISU thread.

If those OGT comments look as bad as posting go fuck yourselves to a fanbase on my blog I write for and is a portrayal of the University I went to then…well no, it isn’t. Sorry TB.

Good day sir. And congrats again on the win. Snyder is a magic man.

by KU Grad 08 on Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Snyder, the magic dragon

Snyder is a magic man. I’m pretty sure he hates KU. He’s aces in my book!

by williewildcrack on Nov 9, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt he hates KU that much

He beat up on us for 15 years. Hard to hate someone you beat over and over again. Be like Roy Williams or Bill Self hating KState. No more trollin for me. But if you use “Snyder the magic man” I want some sort of royalty from it. And just for you…

by KU Grad 08 on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aye, Aye

Here’s a pretend quarter for you pretend royalty. Hey, here’a s question for anyone…what’s up with the sports message board buzzwords being thrown around by so many people (classy, troll)? I feel like I missed out on a memo. Suddenly, the ultimate diss is telling someone they are not classy or accusing someone of trollin’?

by williewildcrack on Nov 10, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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