RPI WATCH: 11/23/2009

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 12:18 AM CST in Men's Basketball Comment 18 comments

Well, it's officially basketball season here at BOTC, so I'm going to try and get some basketball-related stuff on here on a more consistent basis. Big 12 Outlook will return after New Year's, but in the meantime, I need to resume the Big 12 previews and shift them into overdrive a little in order to make up for lost time.

The other thing I want to do is update you on all of our opponents on a daily basis. I'll look at how they performed in yesterday's games and maybe track the RPIs a little, too. The idea is to get a general picture, on a day-to-day basis, of how strong our non-conference schedule is, because I've seen some concern from various corners of late.

For a more detailed discussion, hit the jump. But here's a short preview: We did ourselves a lot of good in Puerto Rico.

Here's how our opponents have performed to date, in order to provide a baseline comparison and bring everyone up to speed. (After all, not everyone has been paying attention to hoops like I have, given our North-contending football team and what have you.)

Kansas State RPI = 28

Great Wins (RPI 1-50) = Dayton

Good Wins (RPI 51-100) = Loyola

Bad Losses (RPI 100 or greater) = none

Loyola (2-1) | RPI = 64: Loss at Kansas State (92-54), Win over Canisius (89-69), Win at Holy Cross (76-73)
Western Illinois (2-2) | RPI = 112: Loss at Arizona State (87-35), Loss at Kansas State (82-50), Win over Truman State (71-59), Win at Central Arkansas (56-46)
Boston (1-4) | RPI = 141: Loss at Iona (82-73), Loss to George Washington (69-59), Loss to Kansas State (80-70), Win over Indiana (71-67), Loss to No. 21 Georgia Tech (85-67)
Ole Miss (4-1) | RPI = 76: Win over UALR (92-64), Win over Alabama State (90-53), Win over Indiana (89-71), Win over Kansas State (86-74), Loss to No. 5 Villanova (79-67)
No. 18 Dayton (2-2) | RPI = 32: Win over Creighton (90-80), Win over No. 21 Georgia Tech (63-59), Loss to No. 5 Villanova (71-65), Loss to Kansas State (83-75)
IUPUI (4-1) | RPI = 75: Win at Drake (88-82), Win at Eastern Illinois (69-66), Win over Austin Peay (77-63), Loss at Auburn (80-65), Win over Georgia State (67-56)
Fort Hays State (2-0) | RPI = N/A (D-II): Win over Friends (82-46), Win over Central Christian College (85-66)
Washington State (3-0) | RPI = 140: Win over MVSU (94-66), Win over Eastern Washington (67-61), Win over IPFW (89-70)
Xavier (3-0) | RPI = 79: Win over Youngstown State (83-57), Win over Bowling Green (101-57), Win over Sacred Heart (105-65)
UNLV (3-0) | RPI = 1: Win over Pittsburg State (91-52), Win over Nevada (88-75), Win over Southern Illinois (78-69)
Alabama (2-1) | RPI = 186: Loss to Cornell (71-67), Win over Jackson State (86-69), Win over Providence (84-75)
UAPB (0-3) | RPI = 166: Loss at Colorado (88-72), Loss at Denver (75-56), Loss at UTEP (70-52)
Cleveland State (3-1) | RPI = 260: Loss at St. Bonaventure (72-62), Win over Wilmington (99-74), Win over Florida A&M (78-64), Win over Sam Houston State (80-65)
South Dakota (2-2) | RPI = N/A (D-I transition): Loss at Texas Tech (88-49), Loss to Oregon State (62-47), Win over TAMUCC (76-73), Win over Mayville State (99-67)
Missouri (2-0) | RPI = 280: Win over UT Martin (83-68), Win over UTPA (100-64)
Texas A&M (3-0) | RPI = 135: Win over Angelo State (88-69), Win at SMU (80-68), Win over Samford (68-49)
Colorado (3-0) | RPI = 128: Win over UAPB (88-72), Win over Coppin State (82-58), Win over Texas Southern (88-77)
No. 3 Texas (2-0) | RPI = 17: Win over UC Irvine (89-42), Win over Western Carolina (73-41)
Oklahoma State (3-0) | RPI = 21: Win over Seattle (86-64), Win over Southern (93-61), Win over North Texas (82-68)
Baylor (4-0) | RPI = 60: Win over Norfolk State (86-58), Win over Hartford (71-69), Win over Southern (61-45), Win over Hardin-Simmons (106-45)
No. 1 Kansas (3-0) | RPI = 46: Win over Hofstra (101-65), Win over Memphis (57-55), Win over Central Arkansas (94-44)
Nebraska (2-1) | RPI = 134: Win over SCUU (76-49), Loss at Saint Louis (69-55), Win over TCU (90-77)
Iowa State (4-0) | RPI = 188: Win over Idaho State (88-68), Win over Chicago State (72-50), Win at Drake (90-70), Win over MVSU (96-55)
No. 17 Oklahoma (2-1) | RPI = 65: Win over Mount St. Mary's (95-71), Win over UL Monroe (72-61), Loss at VCU (82-69)
Texas Tech (5-0) | RPI = 86: Win over South Dakota (88-49), Win over TAMUCC (66-59), Win over Oregon State (64-60), Win over Northwestern State (94-75), Win over Lamar (77-54)

My plan is to update this daily with the games are played the previous day, and I'll probably start looking at RPIs some time after Thanksgiving (they're pretty meaningless before that point due to the disparity in scheduling).

Update: Got bored and added the RPIs around midnight. I'll save the analysis for tomorrow's edition.

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UNLV's RPI...

Being of special interest to me, as I may attend this game, I believe the RPI for UNLV to be incorrect (shown as RPI = 1)??

Or…… maybe not – just checked elsewhere and it shows UNLV as #1 RPI also. HOW?!?!??

--VegasCat07

by VegasCat07 on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

RPIs always are screwy early

I don’t really have a rational explanation for it. Maybe Vegas had something to do with it… ;-)

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff, Bracket.

This will be great to follow through the season. Did I read that right? UNLV has an RPI of 1?

The non-con works out so much better for us this year, especially with UNLV and Alabama. I think if we can get through the non-con with only 3 total losses, we should be sitting pretty come tourney time.

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by EMAW on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Alabama's nice, but I suspect Xavier will be better

Dayton, too.

That opening loss to Cornell has me a bit bearish on the Crimson Tide thus far, but Grant will get them turned around, no doubt.

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The RPI (along with any sort of rankings)

shouldn’t come out until a third of the way into the season. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

How can Texas be ranked 17 and Missouri 280 when neither team has played anybody? Oh right, it’s Texas….

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by mystman995 on Nov 24, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think you're confusing RPI with polls a little

I’m not saying the RPI is meaningful in November, but at least it’s actually based on who you have played, unlike polls, which at this point basically are popularity contests.

Witness Oklahoma still being ranked despite essentially being a clone of our 2007-08 team, while Memphis continues to languish in the “Also Receiving Votes” category. Doi?

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No I was just talking about RPI

The one thing I like about the BCS (emphasis on the one) is that it doesn’t come out until later in the season because it would have ridiculous results just like the RPI is having right now. Let’s wait until we see what teams can do against real competition before using any math.

With all the equations, I’m just still baffled that UT and MU are complete opposites in the RPI right now by essentially doing the same thing.

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by mystman995 on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's because Texas has a much tougher schedule

RPI is already calculating the records of your future opponents, even though you haven’t played them yet — as I understand it.

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

RPI's don't make sense

KU is 46 with a win over Memphis, UNLV is really confusing, OU is ranked and 65, and Missouri getting votes and 280? I don’t think means much at this point lol.

Wildcat for life

by mjk7166 on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

See above for general thoughts

But keep in mind that anything under 70 is pretty good, and after that you’re pretty much splitting hairs.

Plus, the teams Mizzou has been playing are really, REALLY bad. Tennessee-Martin might be lucky to win 5 games all year.

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a definition how it works

From CollegeRPI.com

The basic formula is 25% team winning percentage (WP), 50% opponents’ average winning percentage (OWP), and 25% opponents’ opponents’ average winning percentage (OOWP).

For the 2004-05 season, the formula was changed to give more weight to road wins vs home wins. A team’s win total for RPI purposes is 1.4 * road wins + neutral site wins + 0.6 * home wins. A team’s losses is calculated as 0.6 * road losses + neutral site losses + 1.4 * home losses.

For example, a team that is 4-0 at home and 2-7 on the road has a RPI record of 5.2 wins (1.4 * 2 + 0.6 * 4) and 4.2 losses (0.6 * 7). That means that even though it is 6-7, for RPI purposes, it is above .500 (5.2-4.2).

This “weighted” record is only used for the 25% of the formula that is each team’s winning percentage. The regular team records are used to calculate OWP and OOWP.

As always, only games against Division I opponents count in the RPI.

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by mystman995 on Nov 24, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thank you for posting that

Even I wasn’t clear on some of the nuances.

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rankings sans RPI

I really enjoy the latest Coaches Poll…both Kansas State and Dayton receive votes…guess who has more. Seems even coaches don’t pay attention to what is going on during the season. Well at least the gave Ole Miss some credit for beating us.

by Catbacker98 on Nov 24, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well if there's anything to learn from this football season

is that the transitive effect does not work when similar teams.

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by mystman995 on Nov 24, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

At least Seth Davis understands the transitive property

Good man.

by BracketCat on Nov 24, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's just a little odd.

To have the four team transitive ranking all next to each other.

Ten bucks says Dayton would beat Ole Miss. Just saying.

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by mystman995 on Nov 24, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs