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Postgame Reaction: K-State vs. Oklahoma

This Big 12 North stretch run really is about to get interesting.

K-State did what everyone expected it to do in losing to Oklahoma on Saturday night.  However, it was how the loss came about that was noteworthy.  As was noted by the other half of the Unholy Alliance last week -- before I chimed in with an utterly redundant comment -- K-State could show quite a bit even in an expected loss against OU.  At this point, there are appear to be three teams other than KSU who can claim some form of hope to winning the division.  Let's look at how they've fared against the best teams the South has to offer. 

  • KU: The week before being host to K-State, the Sooners pantsed KU in Lawrence, 35-13, in a game that wasn't really that close.  Oklahoma led, 21-6, at halftime, and KU's only touchdown came in garbage time with the game well in hand.
  • Missouri: Like K-State against OU, they fell behind early, 21-0.  Unlike K-State, and at home I may add, they rolled over and died, losing 41-7 and producing fewer than 200 total yards offense.
  • Nebraska: Went quietly into the night against Texas Tech in Lincoln.  Didn't lose nearly as badly as K-State did to Tech, which is a sign of how good Nebraska's defense is, and is why I still consider Nebraska a threat in the North, despite the fact that its offense can't do anything right.

Anyway, let's move on to a quick review of the game.

What I liked...

...a team that doesn't give up.  Had this been 2008, or 2007 or 2006, for that matter, I have little doubt we would have given up 600+ yards of offense and lost 63-14.  While the team couldn't get over the hump after getting back in the game, the mere fact that it was even in the game after that first quarter is a credit to the coaches and players.

...the unleashing of Daniel Thomas.  Over at Crimson and Cream Machine, a reader called it "gimmicky" and refused to respect what we did on offense.  If he considers that offense gimmicky, then he clearly considers the Michael Bishop-Jonathan Beasley-Ell Roberson years a complete fluke, because the Wildcat formation is basically the offense we ran with those QBs.  Daniel Thomas is what all those guys were, except not as polished of a thrower.  I guess if you consider a jump pass a gimmick, then Urban Meyer is gimmicky, and he only has two national titles.  I guess if you consider running play action off an option fake, you consider Nebraska from 1960-2003 gimmicky.  While I liked these plays because they worked, I really like them because now KU, Mizzou and Nebraska have to prepare for them.  They have to spend practice time working on them.  Their safeties have to hesitate when DT takes the shotgun snap, they have to hesitate even if he looks like he's taking off on a draw, and they have to hesitate when it looks like he's running the option.  I also get the feeling we haven't seen everything we may see in the playbook yet.

...more disciplined play.  The only turnover for K-State in the game was the late interception, and you really can't hold that one against Grant Gregory.  If we keep protecting the football and controlling the clock, we're in good position the next few weeks.

...speaking of Grant Gregory, an efficient outing against a tough defense.  Gregory went 19 of 30 for 174 yards, and ran for more than 5 yards per play even after losses were subtracted.

...an offensive line that may be coming together.  While OU did record two sacks, that's less than I feared we may give up.  Further, they paved the way to 149 rushing yards, including a 5.1 yards per carry average.

...Brandon Banks to da house.  I fear we've probably seen the last of teams kicking it deep to him, but if they kick it short, then we're going to have shorter fields each drive.  Only Nebraska's kicker can probably dare to kick it deep and count on a touchback against us.

What I didn't like...

...two PATs blocked.  I was watching this one at a bar, so I wasn't paying close enough attention to tell if these were Josh Cherry's fault or whether OU got penetration against our line.  Either way, we can't go wasting points.  I thought Snyder was going to explode after the second one.

...an inability to stop OU's passing game.  While 294 yards is certainly better than what we gave up at Texas Tech, it's still far too much.  As Pan mentioned on the phone today, we are getting killed by the short-to-intermediate passing game.  Our linebackers and safeties need to step up soon, or combinations like Kerry Meier/Dez Briscoe and Blaine Gabbert/Danario Alexander are going to torch us.

Hit the jump for much, much more.

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What it means and where we're going...

While I'm loathe to proclaim any loss a moral victory, this one comes pretty close to fitting the bill.  For three quarters yesterday, our offense moved the ball and put points on the board and our defense played well enough to keep us in the game against an offense that's much more talented than those we'll face the rest of the way.

Now, the road lays before us, and we know what is required.  Next Saturday, KU comes to town for an 11:30 a.m. kickoff.  If you can make it, get tickets before it sells out.  We need all the purple in that stadium we can get.  Show up early.  Make a ton of noise.  We have a real chance to win this game, and winning it will do two things that should do any K-State fan's heart good.  First of all, it guarantees we'll be, at worst, 4-4 in the conference, and sets us up for a chance to go 5-3 with games against MU and Nebraska remaining.  Second, it will once and for all dismbowel the "history awaits" season proclaimed by KU, causing much wailing and gnashing of teeth downriver from us.  I don't need to remind any of you that KU has won three in a row against us, and broke our nearly 20-year winning streak in Manhattan two years ago.  I guarantee you Bill Snyder and these players don't need to be reminded of that.

Opponent Roundup

UMass lost to Maine, 19-9, and is now 4-4 (2-3 CAA).

Louisiana lost, 21-17 (OT), to Florida International, falling to 4-4 (2-2 Sun Belt).  I may cause myself bodily injury if this ends up being the game that keeps us from going to a bowl.

UCLA's miserable conference season continued with a 26-19 loss to Oregon State.  The Bruins haven't won since playing us and are now 3-5 (0-5 Pac-10).

Nobody cares about how Tennessee Tech did.

See below for reviews of conference opponents.

Big 12 Roundup

Nebraska 20, Baylor 10

True freshman Cody Green got the start at QB for Nebraska, but not much changed for the Husker offense.  Against a Baylor team that had been destroyed by OU and OSU and beaten easily by Iowa State, NU managed only 20 points and 273 total yards.  In fact, if not for six -- yes, six -- interceptions by the Husker defense, this may have been an even closer game.  Once again, the book has been written on Nebraska.  Don't beat yourself by turning the ball over, and hope you break a big play or two against their suspect secondary (assuming you can give your QB time to throw).

Nebraska faces a probable loss at home next week to OU before the pivotal stretch run against KU, K-State and Colorado.  It will be interesting to see if they acquit themselves as well against OU as the Cats did Saturday.

Next up: Nebraska vs. Oklahoma, Baylor at Missouri

For more: Corn Nation

Missouri 36, Colorado 17

The Tigers jumped ahead 33-3 at halftime and coasted home for an easy win.  I only got to see bits and pieces of this one, but Blaine Gabbert's ankle didn't appear to affect his performance, although he still looked a little gimpy out there.  In possibly scarier news, Mizzou's defense appears to have awoken, holding CU below 200 yards total offense.  Now, maybe there's a grain of salt there because it's CU, but if not, then MU may well be capable of running off the four more wins they need to have a shot at the North.

Next up: Missouri vs. Baylor, Colorado vs. Texas A&M

For more: Rock M Nation, The Ralphie Report

Texas Tech 42, KU 21

While this game may not have been the rout the final score seems to indicate, KU still has some serious issues.  The beaks' vaunted offense managed only 258 yards against a defense that gave up 500+ to Texas A&M a week before.  Further, we now know that Todd Reesing is, in fact, playing hurt, and I'm going out on a limb to predict that groin won't be 100 percent by November 7.

Next up: KU at K-State, Texas Tech is idle

For more: Double T Nation, Rock Chalk Talk

Texas A&M 35, Iowa State 10

Didn't see it, didn't read about it, don't really care.  ISU is a much better team this year, and has a realistic shot at a bowl, but they didn't show much in this one.

Next up: Iowa State vs. Oklahoma, Texas A&M at Colorado

For more: I Am The 12th Man, Clone Chronicles

Texas 41, Oklahoma State 14

It turns out the Red River Shootout was the game of the year in the Big 12.  While this one was supposed to fill that bill, the Cowboys laid down easier than a cheap hooker and Texas had its way (sorry, that was probably uncalled-for).  Texas appears to be ratcheting up its play as the stretch run looms.

Next up: Texas vs. Central Florida, Oklahoma State at Iowa State

For more: Burnt Orange Nation

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I think that was about the best Big 12 game I've seen this year.

That was a very good sharply played game. The only notable mistakes I saw were Grant Gregory’s late interception, which didn’t affect the outcome and OU backing themselves up to 1st and 45, which—unfortunately—also didn’t affect the outcome. I really thought it was a nice change of pace from the turnover-fests that so many other conference games have been this year. It was nice to see a game that was contested with not just heart and drive and determination, but skill and discipline and smarts.

Even though some of us may not like the outcome, I think everyone can be confident that the best team really did win, and not just whoever managed to make the fewest mistakes. For that I’d like to salute everyone on both side for going out and putting on a great show.

by grmann on Nov 2, 2009 3:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The 1st and 45 had a huge impact on the outcome.

We should have held them, because that’s what you do with a 1st and 45, and that would have meant they would have most likely had to punt. We then could have had the chance to score again to put us up 30-28.

That is a lot of “ifs” and holding them on that posession definetely doesn’t mean we come back and win, but getting the lead in the 4th could have had a drastic change in momentum and possibly the outcome of the game.

But yes you do have to give credit to OU on that play, as well as the entire game, because they are a pretty good team. They’ve got a pretty solid bunch of emerging WR’s (holy crap Miller is a beast). Broyle’s is a playmaker for sure – I can’t believe he held onto the ball when we went high/low on him. The only criticism I have with Broyles is that he needs to turn down the “Reggie Bush” down. No excuses for doing the Deion into the endzone. You’re better than that – this is the Big 12, not the Pac10.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 2, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The talent disparity...

had a huge impact on the outcome. Give Snyder some more athletes at key positions and some more depth and he wins this game. OU is just a better team. Snyder put this team in position to win the game, but the talent just isn’t good enough to take advantage of it when there are superior athletes on the other side of the ball. OU had the talent to overcome 1st and 45. We don’t. I said before this game though that I would be happy if they came out and played like they were going to win this game. This team has a shitload of confidence right now. Teams with a marginal talent advantage like KU, MU, and NU are very winnable games the way Snyder has these kids playing.

by Catfan33 on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's basically what I meant.

I was probably a little more backhanded in my phrasing. I meant that getting backed up to 1st and 45 was a mistake by Oklahoma and should have limited them to at best a field goal, but since they converted it and got a TD the mistake was effectively nullified.

I watched most of the Big 12 games I could on Saturday and it just seemed like a lot of the teams bumbled through their games. Turnovers, nobody putting together a consistent full game effort on offense or defense, it just seemed like nobody really wanted to win and during the week hadn’t wanted to do the prep work to get a win. Then I got to see the K-State-Oklahoma game, and while K-State did get off to a slow start, they eventually got going, and I got to watch a game between 2 teams that had the fire in their bellies and had obviously been practicing and preparing hard all week. It was like a breath of fresh air.

Looking back at the rest of the Big 12 that game made me want to throw down the gauntlet and ask them, “Why can’t the rest of you play like that?” (Of course if Kansas, Missouri and Nebraska want to wait until after they’ve played K-State to pick up that gauntlet, I think I could resign myself to some less than spectacular games in the next few weeks.)

by grmann on Nov 2, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody cares about how Tennessee Tech did.

That line never gets old

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Not a huge deal because we still sucked in the 2nd half...

but Kansas was down 14-6 at half against OU and had Dezmon Briscoe not dropped a touchdown it would have been 14-10.

Like I said not a huge difference as I was pretty impressed with K-States effort in Norman but I thought it worth mentioning.

Guess we’ll have to settle if that all means anything this Saturday. I’m far far less confident than I was 8 weeks ago.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that as well...

however, the difference was, except for that dreadful first quarter, we played well in Norman and you guys laid an egg at home. By the way, those dropped passes seem to be a recurring theme every week. What the fuck is up with that? I would venture to say you guys have some serious confidence issues right now.

by Catfan33 on Nov 2, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

laid an egg in the second half I will concede...

1st half though the defense played fairly well against the Sooners and going into half we were beginning to move the ball. Came out after the half and I think as a fanbase we felt like we were in a decent position. Then said egg was laid.

As far as the dropped balls, I think it’s a combination of bad throws and Briscoe took a shot that seems to have made him a little timid.
 
Reesing is taking some shots this year as well and his inability to move due to a groin injury is contributing to that along with a right tackle who is probably moving to the bench after the last two weeks.

Todd is at his best when he can move out of the pocket, his receivers find holes and he can make a play. Right now he doesn’t have that same mobility, balls are getting tipped, thrown into the ground and he’s not getting out of the pocket where a 5’9" QB can find a few more throwing lanes. There was one play against Tech when Kansas took a 21-14 lead that looked like vintage Reesing, made a play with his feet and threw a dart to a wide open Briscoe. Unfortunately those are few and far between right now. I think there are definitely confidence issues and overall some serious frustration on the offensive side of the ball with execution and playcalling. The only good news is that the defense has steadily improved since ISU. Enough to win without our offense? obviously not, but it does look MUCH better.

What worries me about K-State is that Bill Snyder is as we all remember him a VERY good coach. His teams execute, his gameplanning is solid and there is no lack of want to in his teams. Like I said I watched the whole OU game and that was the first time I saw the Wildcats this year. I was impressed and while I think Kansas has a talent edge, it’s irrelevant at the moment and it won’t matter if Kansas can’t find it mentally between now and Saturday.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question...

I saw that Pan mentioned over on gopowercat.com the other day that Joe Bob may be our ace in the hole. How much of an asset do you all think he will be this weekend after spending last season on Mangino’s staff?

by Catfan33 on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't read too much into Joe Bob being here now

As a defensive coach, does he really know much about their offense? Maybe, but probably nothing you couldn’t know from watching a bunch of tape I would think. That being said I hope he has our ends ready to CRUSH pipsqueak Reesing lol.

Wildcat for life

by mjk7166 on Nov 2, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or, at least get your damn hands up in front of the guy

I’ve never understood why more teams don’t attempt to block his passes or better disrupt the passing lanes. There’s a reason why NFL teams look for 6’5" quarterbacks.

by jboot1 on Nov 3, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been happening quite a bit in the past three games, actually

Probably because Sprained-Groin can’t roll out of the pocket anymore.

by BracketCat on Nov 3, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OU VS KU

First off the score at half was 14-6, Briscoe dropped a wide open TD that would of made it 14-10. Our defense allowed 110 yards of offense in the first half. All 14 points were on interceptions, first drive that took 4 plays from the 1 yard line to get in the endzone and a 90 yard pick 6. Do you actually watch any of the games u write about? Second at CU we had the TD at the end of the game that had a Bullshit offensive pass interference or we would of won that game after a horrible start, down 21. Last TT had 340 yards of total offense and scored 4 TD all on fumbles in the 4th quarter all inside the 25 yard line after we had just taken the lead 21-14 in Lubbock. How many points and yards did KSUCKS give up to TT, 50 something points and 600 yards of offense. Its obvious that you and Kevin Kietzman went to the same school of Journalism, make shit up and just look up the final scores in the newspaper to come up with your conclusions! Prepare to get an as whipping on your field this weekend. Oh ya didnt u guys lose to LLU? Now thats funny!

by KUBRUCE on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for being the second KU fan...

…to point out that the halftime score of the OU/KU game was 14-6. Maybe if you had read the other comments, the redundancy would have been avoided.

Yes, I do watch the games, as much as possible. I can’t watch every single play, but I doubt you do either. Given your comments above, I have a few responses.

—You lost to Colorado. Now that’s funny. (I’m not sure who "LLU" is, but I’ll assume you mean Louisiana)
—If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas. Bad call by the ref this, dropped pass by Briscoe that. If we play that game, then I guess we didn’t really lose to Louisiana, because their kicker made almost a 50-yard field goal with about 30 seconds left, which was his first ever college FG. Also, so what that OU’s 14 points were scored off turnovers? Last time I checked, turnovers are a part of the game.
—Fair point about the points and yards we gave up to Tech. Of course, our loss to them counts the same as your loss to them. Also, apparently you just make shit up, because we gave up 60-something points and 700 yards of offense, but thanks for trying to make it seem better than it was. Congrats to your defense on holding Tech’s third-string-quarterback-led offense to 340 yards; if you paid attention, you’d know that Steven Sheffield started when we played them.
—Bold words for a team that’s on a three-game losing streak. I’m not counting KU out, but I doubt you’ll be back if we win, considering that you signed up just to make that comment. I see you joined Rock Chalk Talk, I suggest you hang around there for a while and let the knowledgeable and level-headed KU fans influence you.
—Learn how to write. It’s hard for me to take seriously anyone who posts a comment that reads like a text message. U know wut I mean?

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by TB on Nov 4, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

apologies TB...

every fanbase has a few I suppose.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

But I thought they all stayed on the KC Star website…

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 5, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny you mention that because I’ve been on a lot of SB nation sites and there is definitely a point where the size of the blog becomes almost a curse. For the KU, MU and K-State sites on here..that day will come when the KC Star folks begin to take notice and move in.

I saw it happen out here with Mile High Report and the Denver Post.

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would still like to actually meet one of these people

who post completely ridiculous comments on those boards. I’d like to think that they are all 13 years old, but I’ve got a hunch that’s not always the case.

I haven’t noticed too much trolling like that on the college blogs – well at least the Big 12 North blogs, but I have noticed a lot of those sorts of things on the professional blogs. One to note, Halos Heaven (the LA Angels of Anaheim blog) has nothing but those type of posters. It’s downright filthy. KUBRUCE would be considered nice and insightful over there.

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Nov 5, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree...the Royals one has it's moments as well...

and I’m going to have to extend KUBruce the benefit of the doubt on this one because it is as I believe you guys call it hate week : )

or maybe that’s someone else…I know somebody hates us more for a week when they play us. We prefer to keep our hate at an even level throughout the year but to each his own.

Good luck Saturday fellas!!

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Better watch your mouth...

…or Toddles might wash it out with Franzia.

by BracketCat on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boxed wine rules!!

Some people are like Slinkies...not really good for anything but they make you smile when pushed down the stairs.

by Denverjhawk on Nov 5, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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