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Clearing Up Some Misconceptions and Looking Toward the Future of Big 12 "TV"

Seasoned BOTC readers know that discussing Big 12 policy is as big of a topic here as actual on-field action.  Maybe that would be different if we were operating this blog circa 1998-2003, when there was a ton to brag about and analyzing every single detail would be interesting.  As it stands, I doubt any of you care to hear a detailed analysis of whether we can expect significant improvement out of our linebackers or whether next year's recruits will contribute at that position.  Feel free to let me know if I'm wrong in the comments.

Anyway, last week I ran across this interesting post from the Texas blog Barking Carnival, home of the best team previews you'll find.  As you'll see in reading it, and the associated comments, the topic was the Big 12 TV contract and other associated issues, topics we have discussed not infrequently here. 

The author's essential premise is that the Big 12 contract is bad because our mid-level games don't stack up with mid-level games from the Big 10 and SEC, the two conferences with the best TV contracts in college football.  It's an interesting point, and unfortunately it wasn't further developed by the author beyond looking at a relatively small sample size of Big 12 games.

As part of the potential solution, TaylorTRoom proposes as follows:

What does the Big 12 need to do to get better TV contracts? For one, it could schedule better non-conference games. I know that several teams (TT, KSU, and KU in particular) have openly adopted a strategy of playing creampuffs in non-conference, in order to ensure reaching the 6 win threshold for a bowl invitation. Some Big 12 schools play a D-1AA team every year! They have to understand that in doing so they are giving up potential guaranteed TV contract money in order to gain speculative bowl money. These programs have no right to complain about lack of TV revenue from football.

Several aspects of this deserve a response.

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In other words, teams like Texas Tech, K-State and KU need to schedule better non-conference games to raise the league's profile and help land a fatter TV contract.  This hearkens back to the discussion Tim Griffin and I had about playing Thursday night games at places like K-State, Tech and Oklahoma State. 

To be blunt, it makes no sense for K-State to schedule up right now.  Nobody at Texas is going to get very far with any K-State fan or administrator by telling them that K-State is part of the problem when Texas' athletic department revenues are more than double K-State's.  Given that the Big 12 shares its TV money unevenly, in large part because Texas wanted it that way, schools outside the Big 12's financial big four -- Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Nebraska -- are probably not going to budge on any of these issues* until the big-money schools make a concession.  That concession is going to be equal revenue sharing.  It's a negotiation.  Nothing is going to get done until both sides realize that they may have to give up something to get something from the other side.

* Colorado is the exception, because they have decided that they will chase the money by playing big-name opponents in the non-conference or playing mid-tier teams on Thursday or Friday nights.  It's really working out well for them.  Mostly, they get to watch their team lose on national TV and they still don't have enough money to buy out their coach's contract.

Now of course, the average Texas fan will probably read that and wonder why it doesn't make sense for K-State to schedule up, although UT's non-conference schedule the last few years has itself been seriously lacking.  There are several reasons.  At K-State, football is the engine that drives the entire athletic department.  Men's basketball is contributing some revenue now, but every other sport in this athletic department is funded largely by the football revenue. 

A big part of that revenue is the gate from home games.  Despite Gene Claude's argument in the comments, I think it makes perfect sense to schedule as many home games as possible, even if you do have to dredge the Sun Belt for those teams.  Scheduling home games is guaranteed revenue.  Scheduling four wins in the non-conference gives you a great chance to make a bowl game, although that's not always a money-maker these days.  I'll take the guaranteed gate, the potential bowl revenue, and the added practice time over a potential TV payout that ranged from as little as $50,000 for a game on Versus, to $150-300,000 for a game on FSN or ESPN, to $260,000 for a conference game on ABC and $520,000 for a non-conference game on ABC (source).

Texas fans may again miss the point on this, because they'll likely ask "Why can't you schedule home games against big-name teams?"  The answer is that our stadium holds only 50,000 and we are two hours from a major airport.  Teams like Florida, LSU and Ohio State are not going to schedule a home-and-home with K-State, because there's no incentive.  They won't make any real money from it, and they risk a loss (OK, probably not) on the road to a team that hasn't been very good for the past five years.  It's been the long-standing policy of the K-State athletic department not to schedule two-for-one series with anybody, mostly because it doesn't make financial sense.  We need a bare minimum of six home games each year, and seven or eight would be preferable.  We can't go scheduling two-for-ones all the time and give up home games.

Further, college football provides no incentive to schedule difficult non-conference games.  In the Big 12, you're almost guaranteed at least two games per year against highly ranked teams, given that Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska are traditionally ranked, and over the conference's history, schools such as K-State, Colorado, KU, Mizzou, Texas Tech and Texas A&M have had at least one or two seasons where they ascended into the top five.  If you win your non-conference games in the Big 12 and run your conference schedule, you'll play for a national title.  Even if that's beyond your usual goals, you can have a big season against a weak non-conference schedule.  See, e.g., KU in 2007, Texas Tech in 2008.

At several points in the post, the discussion turns to whether the Big 12 is sufficiently unified to make changes like that.  The answer, unfortunately, is probably not.  Unlike other conferences, the Big 12 was sort of a Vegas marriage of convenience for the parties involved, rather than a piecemeal addition of teams over time.  Then, when it came time to negotiate the conference's bylaws and rules, the participants got off to an acrimonious start, with Nebraska and Texas fighting over partial qualifiers and a conference championship game.

Before we get to the point about looking to the future, a few grievances are going to be aired.  First, I'm tired of Texas fans acting like most of the rest of the Big 12 doesn't care about academics.  Some Texas fans like to point to the Big 10 and extoll its virtuous elevation of academics.  In the comments, the author even goes so far as to say the following:

Street agents, partial qualifiers – the Big 10 doesn’t condone any of them. I wish the Big 12 were more that way.

That statement is utterly  false.  The Big 10 places no limits on the number of partial qualifiers its member institutions can admit.  If Michigan wants to make accomodations for a bunch of partial qualifiers, it is free to do so under the Big 10's rules.

It's also disappointing to read comments like the following one made by the author:

Missouri is a member of the AAU, as is Texas, TAMU, CU, NU, and KU. These are all schools with serious goals as universities. I wish the Big 12 were more like the Big 10, where all of the schools value their institutional reputation more than they value athletic success (well, maybe the Buckeyes don’t).

To put it simply, this is an elitist statement of the highest regard.  Apparently, only members of the prestigious AAU can have serious goals as a university.  It's simply not possible for a smallish, rural, land-grant institution, like K-State, to serve the goal of providing an affordable education to the citizens of Kansas.  No, by the logic of this statement, if you don't have "serious goals as [a] universit[y]" you are just admitting a bunch of marginal students for no reason other than obtaining athletic success.  Whatever some people from schools like UT think, the goal of every institution simply cannot be to conform to someone else's concept of what constitutes academic excellence.  You can go to K-State and be successful.  I know K-State grads who are architects in Denver, Dallas and St. Louis.  Plenty of engineers in Houston and Dallas are K-State alums.  K-State-educated farmers feed the world.  A K-State grad was the president of Shell Oil and founded Citizens for Affordable Energy.  What's even funnier about it is that an alleged academic wasteland such as K-State, with less than half the number of students UT has, is outpacing UT in the last 20 years in producing winners of prestigious scholarships.

Implicit in the statement above is that the schools mentioned really care about academics and would never sacrifice those ideals for a little on-field success.  However, this chart from the Indianapolis Star shows that statement is not accurate for a couple of those Big 12 schools.  In the 2003-04 season at Missouri, 61 percent of the football players were "special admits" to the university (i.e., they didn't meet the normal entrance requirements but were admitted based on a special talent, or some similar criteria).  Was 61 percent of the MU student body special admits?  Uhh, no, that number would be nine percent.  It was even worse at Texas A&M.  In 2004-05, special admits constituted 94 percent of the Texas A&M football team, while the entire student body was only eight percent special admits.  The point is that I will not sit here and be lectured about sacrificing academic ideals for athletic success when it's clear that some of the "prestigious" Big 12 universities do exactly that.  K-State doesn't have lower entrance requirements than Texas because it wants to win football games, it has them because it has a different mission than Texas has.  Texas strives to conform to the AAU's ideals regarding what constitutes an excellent academic institution.  K-State strives to provide an education and, correspondingly, a better future to as many people as are willing to pay their tuition and give college a shot.

Along with the above broadside regarding academics at the Big 12's non-AAU schools, TaylorTRoom notes the fractured nature of the Big 12:

Texas doesn’t know that about the Big 12. After the last couple of years, with the tie-breaker vote, the BCS votes, KSU working with Brian Butler, it has to wonder if one of the goals of the Big 12 is to hold it down. UT knows that when talking about media revenue, the Big 12 needs it more than it needs the Big 12.

We've discussed the Big 12's fifth criteria for breaking a three-way divisional tie over here ad nauseum.  The short answer is that Texas got screwed, but no more screwed than Texas Tech did, and no more screwed than Oklahoma would have been had they lost the tiebreaker.  There is no good way to break a three-way tie when you're down to the fifth tiebreaker, and no, the SEC's tiebreaker is absolutely not better.  Moving on.

I don't have a clue what the author means by K-State working with Brian Butler.  We have never landed a recruit that Butler "works with."  Arthur Brown went to Miami, Bryce Brown went to Tennessee, and Chris Harper went to Oregon before transferring to K-State this year.  Have we recruited these guys?  Hell yes, we have.  We'd be morons not to try.  Our school is in a state of less than three million people, and produces only a handful of FBS-ready recruits each year.  If Brian Butler were in Houston and had five or six recruits, Texas could tell him to hit the road because there are hundreds of other high schoolers that are available.  Further, I defy the author to show me any proof of even one NCAA violation K-State has committed while recruiting a Brian Butler athlete.  It's easy to lob accusations of cheating around with no backup.  I could sit here and say that Texas must be cheating because they have $100 million in athletic department revenue each year and there are only so many Godzillatrons you can buy and the money has to go somewhere, but without any support for those types of accusations, I'd lose all my credibility, if I even have any to start with.  Anyway, if the author really thinks that we are gaining some big edge on Texas by recruiting athletes out of Wichita, well, I guess I don't even really know what to say to that.  On the other hand, the fact that we have pretty much owned Texas lately may justifiably lead a Longhorn fan to look for any way to cut down K-State's success.

Before you go thinking that I think this author is an idiot -- I don't, by the way, I just happen to disagree with him on some points -- he makes some good points in the article and the comments that are worth exploring. 

For another, the Big 12 could take a page from the SEC playbook and schedule earlier conference games. The SEC has plenty of non-conference creampuffs, but they also have league games in the season’s second week. Sure, it’s a risk for a team trying to work out the kinks in the early season, but life is full of such tradeoffs.

In the Big 12 Roundtable, we discussed whether this was a good idea.  If the Big 12 wants to move to something like this in the future in an attempt to improve TV ratings, it may be an idea worth looking into.  I don't like the idea of conference games in the first or second week of the season, and I'm leery of early divisional matchups, but overall this may not be a bad idea if it evens out the distribution of attractive TV games.

Here's another idea that was advanced in the comments:

I realize I have been talking around something I need to expand on. Look, almost all of you have a cable or satellite box, with a DVR function. In five years, that box will be more like a computer than it is even now. It will be very easy for everybody to order any game that has a camera in front of it, from anywhere in the nation, no matter who your provider is.

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Right now, the most valuable asset is clusters of fans. making broadcasts profitable. However, the technology is moving towards making…I don’t know the right term…splintercasts? more profitable.

It's easy to say that the Big 12's TV contract is not as good as the Big 10's or SEC's.  That much is obvious.  The real question is this: What should we do about it?  Despite its initial problems, the Big 10 Network has been a success for that conference.  Does the answer to more TV revenue lie in starting a Big 12 Network, or is the answer something else?

Think for a moment about the history of TV.  Initially, it was just a few channels of bland programming, and most thought it was a passing fad that would never catch on.  Over time, more channels were added.  When I was a kid in Nebraska back in the late 1980s and 1990s, I remember that we had about 35 channels on our cable package.  Today, regardless of who your provider is, you have access to thousands of channels, if you're willing to pay for them.  Television has always moved toward specialization.  Do you love cats?  There's probably a TV channel for you.  Channels like ESPN, The History Channel, and Discovery would have seemed wildly specialized 30 years ago, but now they're pretty general compared to the Military Channel and the various Fox Sports outlets around the country.

Of course, the Internet adds a whole new dimension to this.  As the author suggests, it's only a matter of time before schools will be able to offer netcasts of all their games -- in every sport -- and make money off them.  It will be the ultimate specialization.  The technology isn't in place for this to be profitable yet, but within a decade it almost undoubtedly will be.  So the question becomes whether you start a Big 12 TV channel, or whether you put your resources into figuring out how to make money off the next medium of "televising" games.

While I'm sure you're disappointed to see this post end, I don't have the answer to that.  I've become an educated man over the last seven years, but this is not my area of expertise.  Your thoughts are welcome in the comments, as I'd like to know more about where things are going, and what we should do with it.  Just off the top of my head, the following questions leap to mind:

  • If netcast technology is what the Big 12 embraces, do we pool all that revenue and split it equally?  Does each school keep all its revenue, thus assuring that schools with more alums and bigger fanbases get more money while other schools get less?  Do we share half of it equally, then split the rest of it by percentage of contribution?  Something else?
  • What about some of the more rural areas of the Big 12?  My grandma used to email me once a week, but the ISP in her town of 2,000 people went out of business, so she doesn't have the Internet at home anymore.  The Big 12's footprint is demonstrably rural, and most of these areas don't have local providers that can make money off this type of technology.  Does everyone out in the sticks have to get DirecTV if we go to this type of arrangement?  What is the delivery method?  And no, this isn't limited to any single state, because there are as many out-in-the-boondocks towns in Texas as there are in Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska and Iowa combined.

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Wow - that took a lot of time to read at work.....

I’m not a big fan of revenue sharing in general, and it wouldn’t make much sense to me to support it for a Big 12 network-like package. Just because we’re in the same conference, I can’t seem to wrap my head around the idea of K-State making money off of someone who would want to pay to watch Texas or Nebraska – even if that means the rich get richer.

The problem I have, as I think I’ve stated before, is not how much money is being made, but how it is being spent. I am all for a cap to limit what a school can spend on athletics – because that’s how some schools are getting that advantage. All of that excess revenue the big money schools bring in should go directly back into the university. More athletic revenue could mean more scholarships, research grants, etc. Could you imagine if this system was in place from the start? I’m pretty sure someone from some university could have cured cancer by now, but at least we can watch replays and commercials on a 134’ screen from a game we are already currently watching….

As far as the Big 12 being rural and how that hurts us – that’s just the nature of the conference. Just because TB’s grandma (Not trying to pick on you or nothing, it just provides me with a good example) isn’t able to currently access the internet, I don’t think we should limit these broadcasts to one type of media – or should cater these so that one form of media has the exclusive rights to broadcast our games. (I’m probably just a little bitter, I can’t seem to understand why I only have one option for TV when I live in one of the biggest cities in the country…damn you TIme Warner and your monopoly in my area…)

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While I wouldn't mind a spending cap...

…it’ll either a) never happen, because if it did happen, the big-money schools would bolt the NCAA and form their own league, or b) the cap would be so ridiculously high that only a few schools would be affected, and thus not have any teeth.

As far as the technology aspect, I certainly wouldn’t say that we should let those types of limitations hold us back. But it has to be a consideration. There would be thousands of irate fans of every team if the technology in their area didn’t allow them to watch their team.

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by TB on Oct 5, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know we've mentioned certain NCAA teams bolting before,

but how realistic and feasible would that actually be? And can they actually do it?

If 15-20 schools get up and bolt, that would be the worst thing that could happen to college football. All that tradition from what college football has created would be abolished and then suddenly a national championship in any league means absolute dick. Big money schools would kill themselves if they jumped ship.

One of the things that makes them big market schools is the supporting cast around them. Any school who thinks they are too good for the system is, in the words of Bill Callahan, a prima donna. Do you really think a league full of Terrel Owens’ can sustain itself? Just look at college football now – legendary coaches on the hot seat because they’ve had one or two bad years. What do you think Michigan fans will do when they’re team goes 2-10 three years in a row because they are in way over their heads in this new league?

Introducing the new 2008 Big 12 Football Champions: OU, UT*, TT*, and MU*!
Now Introducing the new 2009 Big 12 Baseball Tournament Champions: UT, KSU*, BU*, and MU*!

by mystman995 on Oct 6, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out

I don’t see complete revenue sharing anytime soon, unless the conference gets an SEC type deal (which it won’t). As for the Big XII network, I could see it helping some, but would I be able to get it here in DC? I bet I’d have to get Direct TV and pay an arm and a leg to get it, and it probably wouldn’t have but one or two Texas games on it. Personally, I already get all but one Texas game and can go to a sportsbar to watch the UL Monroe game. The biggest thing would probably be getting more non-revenue sports on TV, like volleyball and women’s soccer. I also don’t see any of the schools scheduling particularly difficult nonconference schedules. Everyone wants home games and easy trips to bowl games. By the way, the Big XII equally shares bowl revenues net of expenses, right? So if KSU vs. ISU goes to a bowl, it doesn’t actually change either schools finances, assuming the other would go in their stead?

As for the elitism, there is definitely some of that. Texas has always longed for the day it could be associated more with Michigan and Northwestern, or Berkeley and UCLA, but that day will probably never come, as least athletically. It would be nice if the Big XII had an academic partnership, similar to the one the Big Ten has, but it sounds like the missions of the schools might not align properly.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point about the bowls...

…and that undermines my argument. For some reason, I thought that there was a smaller, direct payout to each bowl participant, as well as a larger payout to the conference that was split. That’s incorrect. Still, I think it’s better to schedule home games, get the home gate, perhaps sneak a game or two onto FSN and get that payout, and build toward a bowl win. If I recall correctly, the Big 12 didn’t fill at least one of its bowl obligations last season, which is foregone revenue.

As far as the elitism goes, Texas alums have every reason to be proud of their institution. It just galls me when some of those alums don’t realize that we’d price a lot of smart, hard-working people out of an education if every school tried to be an AAU member.

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by TB on Oct 5, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

two comments

I think that chart on “special admits” is misleading. We had a problem at A&M for years in that we were able to get athletes who met NCAA, Big 12, and University academic standards admitted, but we couldn’t get them admitted to a specific college in the University (say Business, Engineering, or Liberal Arts), which was required for full admission to A&M. As a result, we often lost out on some promising recruits, some of whom even turned around and were admitted to texas. To fix this issue, they began admitting student’athletes who met NCAA, Big 12, and A&M academic requirements (but who couldn’t gain admission to a specific college) into a University Studies program, which is what other universities refer to as an ‘undeclared major’. These athletes would go down as a “special admit” because they were being admitted under a different standard than regular students, but they are still people who qualified for admission to the University.

IIRC, A&M’s athletes still graduate at a higher percentage than the regular student body, so they’re doing something right.

As for the comments from barking carnival, the one about not using street agents made me laugh. If they think texas doesn’t deal with and utilize street agents, they’re either blind or stupid. One look over their depth chart would reveal one prominent player who was brokered via a street agent, but the arrogant ‘sips blindly want to believe they’re too clean for such shenanigans.

by Beergut on Oct 5, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could someone please tell me...

why I should give a flying leap about the overall competitiveness of our conference under the current BCS system? Cause that’s what this is all about. Money to compete with the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 10.

Bill Snyder and the editors of this site have concluded that easy non-conference scheduling is just fine because all you have to do is win your conference and you’re in the national title game. I contend that this holds true as long as you’re a BCS school regardless of how good your conference schedule is. Who cares if you get to the national title game and play an opponent that is head and shoulders above you? For K-State this would be the game of a lifetime. And a one game upset is not that far fetched (Hello Utah, Boise State and K-State 2003). Would I switch places with Ohio State or OU, going to BCS games all the time and losing consistently? Absolutely. Because in the BCS you don’t have to consistently win big games. You have to win all your games no matter how pitiful the competition (as long as you’re in a BCS conference, sorry Boise State 2009) and then win one game at the end. One upset in a big game. It could happen. And that’s all I need.

Sorry Texas, but as long as the current system is in place, the goal of small schools like K-State is to overthrow the balance of power WITHIN the conference, regardless of its effects on other national powers.

by Mrfphy on Oct 5, 2009 10:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this states it well...
Sorry Texas, but as long as the current system is in place, the goal of small schools like K-State is to overthrow the balance of power WITHIN the conference, regardless of its effects on other national powers.

You have to play with the cards you are dealt, and this is how KSU, KU, TTU, and other schools feel they can compete.

I find it to be kind of funny that UT fans complain about a crappy TV deal, when the current deal is EXACTLY what their administration wants, and if they long to keep their competitive advantages, it should be what their fans want. The current system only adds to the inequity that exists in this conference, and it promotes the big money schools, thereby making it easier for them to win….which is why their administrations aren’t pushing for change.

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by Panjandrum on Oct 5, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do you really think UT's administration wants the current deal

over the new SEC deal. Sure, Texas gets a couple million more than Iowa State under this deal, but they also get several million less than everyone in the SEC.

I think they would prefer equal slices of a giant pie, but are not going to give up their bigger piece of the small pie they have now, because there is no giant pie available.

by Texas Wahoo on Oct 6, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Riley Flash
You can go to K-State and be successful. I know K-State grads who are architects in Denver, Dallas and St. Louis. Plenty of engineers in Houston and Dallas are K-State alums. K-State-educated farmers feed the world. A K-State grad was the president of Shell Oil and founded Citizens for Affordable Energy.

Coincidentally, you missed a pretty notable K-State alumnus in your argument. The Athletic Director for the University of Texas is none other than K-State alum Deloss Dodds. He was born and raised 14 miles west of Manhattan in Riley. (No – not FT. Riley). My dad talks about watching him tear up the 6-man football scene before the KSHAA had a tournament in place to determine a state championship. We wondered what was going through his mind a few years ago when Jordy Nelson (also from Riley) was tearing up the Longhorns down in Austin.

You’re not going to find a bigger proponent of internet based technologies than me. However, I worry about where the BIG XII would make its money off of webcasts. Would they charge me – as a consumer – above and beyond the cable bill I already pay, and the ISP bill I already pay? This sounds a lot like pay-per-view. Are we really suggesting that the BIG XII would move the entire mid-tier of the conference to pay-per-view? Nebraska can get away with this, Texas probably could too. I’m not sure anyone else’s fanbase would come along for that ride.

Another route would be to go the way of ESPN360 and charge ISPs to carry it. That’s just wrong because it is pretty close to violating network neutrality, and more importantly it takes away my choice to view it even if I really wanted to.

Thanks for the thoughtful op-ed today!

by CPNE on Oct 6, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting stuff and food for thought...

There are several reasons why the Big 12 does not generate the same revenue stream that the Big 11/SEC conferences do. First and foremost, as in real estate, is location. Let’s face facts we are a predominately rural conference with few large television markets. The larger of which are: Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Denver and Kansas City. Almost all of which lie either in Texas or exist at the periphery of our conference. The SEC and Big 10 get more attention because of their proximity to the east coast media and their longer conference histories. They have been extremely proactive in both promoting their brand and actively seeking media contracts. The ESPN family of networks being a giant factor. Both conferences have also gone the extra step in forming their own television networks to promote their brand. They have equitable revenue sharing agreements between all of their member schools and hence less infighting in their respective conferences. Until we see the light and fix these problems we will always be playing second fiddle to them. Incidentally, the ACC may actually overtake us as well due to their location and current marketing. So why do we continue to play these silly reindeer games in the heartland? For instance, luring the Big 12 headquarters to Dallas, proposing moving the football championship permanently to Dallas, etc. Talk about enabling divisiveness. The former four members of the SWC needed the Big 8 and vice versa in order to be competitive in the current market. Let’s just admit this fact, mend fences and move on. Trying to move all championship games permanently anywhere is not the way to promote unity against other conferences.

Having read the article at Barking Carnival and the related comment threads a few things should be mentioned. Regarding the tie breaker system in our conference it sucks and Texas got screwed. (But not like KSU in 1998 who lost in 2OT to the number 8 team in the country and had to play in the Alamo Bowl with one loss. This instituted a change in BCS and Big 12 policy regarding bowls.) So you are welcome Big 12 as K-State took that one on the chin for you already.

There was also an overwhelming discussion regarding scheduling with a consistent amount of KSU bashing. Did we schedule quite a few lesser non-conf opponents in the past? Sure. Did we also play USC, UW, UCLA and Auburn to name a few? Sure. Are we the only team still practicing this? No. Take a look at any top 25 team this year and you will see a minimum of two inferior non-conference opponents including the Big 12, Big 10, SEC, ACC, Pac-10, and Big East conferences. In general, the trend is continuing so stop pointing fingers and take a long hard look at your own schedule as everyone is guilty. Conversely, in the next 5 years K-State schedule actually gets harder while other schools continue to dilute theirs (upcoming opponents for KSU include: UCLA, Oregon, Miami(FL), Auburn, Va Tech to name a few).

Several posts also provided arguments as to which teams in our conference are our power teams. A lot of stats regarding revenue, etc. are being offered as to who the top teams are in the conference. It is easy to see that a team with 50k seating is not going to earn as much revenue from gate sales as a team with 100k capacity. So lets take a more in-depth look at what counts by analyzing the straight winning percentages in football of our member schools since 1996 (beginning of competition as the Big 12 conference) and here are the results top to bottom:

Texas .76970
Oklahoma .72455
Nebraska .71687
Kansas State .66049
Texas Tech .63354
Texas A&M .56875
Missouri .54777
Colorado .53125
Oklahoma State .52258
Kansas .46405
Iowa State .38312
Baylor .26351

Again we see that KSU is just as competitive as those that were considered at the top of the league, i.e. UT, OU, NU, A&M, etc. Since 1996 K-State is 4-2 versus Texas including winning the last two in the series during sub .500 years as an example.

If we can not recognize competitiveness in our own league and work together to help sweeten our collective deals while other conferences effectively position themselves in the marketplace, we will not succeed. Let us stop this nonsense and get on with the business at hand.

by Catbacker98 on Oct 6, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

RE: Scheduling better non-conference games

I think it’s a valid argument – if we as a conference want to land a massive TV contract this could be a good way to go.

Note: I am throwing out the arguments against this just to show why this could be a good idea. I pretty much agree with all the rebuttals TB made in the post. I personally agree that it will do more immediate harm to our program than good.

If the overall goal of the conference is to get a lucrative TV deal, then I think the more marquee matchups the better. We can’t use the “but the SEC has creampuffs argument” really because they ALREADY have the TV deal in place. So does the Big 10. What incentives do the networks have to schedule more of these games? We as a conference have to develop better ways to market ourselves for a contract because keeping up with the Jones’ won’t get us anywhere.

As of right now, all of the “intriguing games” are already on TV – some on primetime. K-State, while definitely not a marquee opponent for a top-10 team, needs to start scheduling better opponents from the power conferences. We have a lot better chance of being picked up if we’re playing teams like Michigan State, Arizona State, Kentucky, Boston College, etc. And that goes for the entire conference too. I wouldn’t mind watching a Cal-Texas Tech, Kansas-Maryland, or an Iowa State-Purdue game.

Except Notre Dame, I don’t want to watch anybody play Notre Dame..

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by mystman995 on Oct 6, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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