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Currently the OC at Utah, the former Broyles Award finalist will serve in the same capacity at Kansas State. He will also coach quarterbacks.

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Definitely a step outside the K-State tree.

But, the guy has been succesfull pretty much everywhere he goes. I’m intrigued at this hire. While many are probably scratching their heads, I’m thoroughly impressed that Snyder went out and found a relatively young OC to help us keep up with the track meet that is the Big XII.

by EMAW on Dec 17, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

I'm good with it...

Broyles Award finalist, coached up David Carr and Billy Volek at Fresno, and helped Utah get to the BCS post-Urban Meyer.

He’s a strong position coach, and he’s a good coordinator.

To be truthful, it doesn’t matter how well the guy calls a game. Snyder will handle most of the playcalling; we all know that. The fact that this guy is outside of the KSU tree, does a good job coaching up quarterbacks, and is coming from a very successful program is definately worth getting excited about.

Strong hire, IMO.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car." - Jack Handey

by Panjandrum on Dec 17, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

No...No he has not.

He was the worst offensive coordinator Oregon has had in about 20 years. He was the OC there from 2002-2004…some of the worst years for the Oregon program in the past 15 or so. He was terrible. Totally unimaginative playcalling. He did a very poor job with the talent that he had. I was incredibly happy to see him go (as was all the Oregon fan base).

You’ll get sick of him very, very quickly.

--AddictedToQuack, SBNation's Oregon Ducks blog

by jtlight on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

And it seems Utah fans were complaining about him switching up his play calling...

when what they were already running was working for them.

I don’t know what to think at the moment…

I know Snyder used to call the offense’s plays during his prior stint. I bet he’ll have a good grip on the play calling this time too.

Aggressity is the mother of suspension.

by MadCat on Dec 17, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, based on what I've been able to glean...

He’s a good position coach.

Offensive coordinators in Snyder’s system suggest plays; they don’t call them. Snyder makes the ultimate call.

I think he’s being brought to help implement a particular system as opposed to calling plays. From the video I’ve been able to see, Utah likes to run a lot of shotgun spread, and that’s what Snyder wants to run now (or so we’ve been told), so I’m guessing that’s why he’s here.

Thanks for the insight though. We’ll see how he turns out I guess.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car." - Jack Handey

by Panjandrum on Dec 18, 2008 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

After a little googling...

It appears in 2006 and 2007, the Utah fans were not very impressed with him…this year shut them up.

Hmmmm…

Aggressity is the mother of suspension.

by MadCat on Dec 17, 2008 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

I hope he does well for Utah in the Sugar Bowl...

It will be interesting to see how they fare against Alabama’s defense.

Aggressity is the mother of suspension.

by MadCat on Dec 17, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Good luck.

Andy Ludwig isn’t a bad OC. I think the Utah experience was better than the Oregon one for Ludwig. But he isn’t great, either.

I don’t know how he’ll be for Kansas State, but for Utah, I think many fans are excited about the chance to infuse some new life into the offense. It isn’t to say Ludwig was bad here, he wasn’t this season, but there were moments where the offense stagnated and the play-calling was definitely questionable (we’re talking a double reverse on third and short).

The good news for Utah is that Ludwig did zero recruiting here, so I doubt we’ll lose any recruits with this move. I just hope it doesn’t screw us in the Sugar Bowl.

by JazzyUte on Dec 18, 2008 1:10 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks for the feedback...

Sounds like his move to Kansas State may have something to do with learning from a truly great offensive mind.

For those KSU fans that aren’t aware, several years ago, Urban Meyer spent some time with Bill Snyder and picked his brain about Snyder’s offensive philosophies. After that, Meyer began tweaking his offense into what it is now.

Maybe Ludwig was cognizant of that fact and wanted to pick the same brain that Meyer did. Regardless, of all of the coordinator positions in the Big 12 (and maybe BCS conferences in general), being the Offensive Coordinator at KSU has the least amount of impact. Bill Snyder has been, and always will be, the de facto OC at KSU. The fact that Ludwig is a very good position coach is more relevant to us than whether or not he can call plays.

Good luck to the Utes in the Sugar Bowl. I hope they take it to the Tide.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car." - Jack Handey

by Panjandrum on Dec 18, 2008 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but we also had a coach this year...

who called a 4 yard out pass on 3rd and 17 inside our own territory. So, if we start seeing double reverses on third and short, it’s really nothing we haven’t seen the past three years from Prince and Co.

I just wish our coaches called the game the same way I do on Playstation. I’m an offensive GENIUS! Maybe me and Dezmon Briscoe could match wits in a death match showdown….

by EMAW on Dec 18, 2008 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

When I set the benchmark for dumb playcalling, I think back to a game...

against Nebraska, coached by Callahan. Calling a swing pass in K-State’s endzone which resulted in a safety…the 2nd one of the game.

Aggressity is the mother of suspension.

by MadCat on Dec 18, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I enjoyed that very much.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 18, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Does anybody remember how

horrid the playcalling in Synder’s last two years? It was awful. When he had the athlete’s – players like Bishop and Roberson and Sproles, etc. – they would just run all over the field and make huge plays. When had had players like Dylan Meier and Allan Webb, that’s when we saw the 4 yard pass on third and long and the QB draw (every other fricking play).

I’m not sure that we have the athletes to do that next season and it could be very frustrating. If Josh Freeman stays it will help out a little bit, but we all know we won’t see him keeping an option to go 86 yards for the score. We used to be so incredibly balanced it wasn’t even funny.

With Ludwig coming on, let’s just hope he can further develope (and convince Josh to stay) our quarterbacks and bring some life back into the team.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 18, 2008 9:16 AM CST reply actions  

Andy Ludwig's reign at Oregon was the most underwhelming in a loooong time.

OC’s in the past 2 decades: Bellotti, Tedford, Ludwig, Crowton, Kelly.

Even Crowton had a pretty meager 2 years at Oregon but in 2005, his first year, we made a BCS run in his new power spread system. Chip Kelly, as you probably know, had an amazingly successful first year in ’07, running his finesse spread-option system. Andy Ludwig is obsessed with the I-form and screen passes, which gets very very boring.

Kicker.

by qrsouther on Dec 18, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

From the brief video that I've seen, most of Utah's snaps came out of the shotgun...

Of course, I’ve gotta do a lot more research.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car." - Jack Handey

by Panjandrum on Dec 18, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They did, because Brian Johnson is very impressive dual-threat.

I noticed his resumé mentions something of being an “innovative offensive mind”, of which there is nothing further from the truth than that, in my opinion of him.

Kicker.

by qrsouther on Dec 18, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with EMAW...

I’ve been putting up 90 to 100 points on everybody in heisman for a long time. I think I should be considered. Just need to pick up them sticks…

On a side note, I’m assuming a lot of you play NCAA ‘09 for ps3 or xbox360. and i’m also assuming that you play with the Wildcats as well. Has anyone ever seen the loading screen right before you get into the game to play KU at lawrence? look right above the head of the cheerleader on the far right and you’ll witness the classiness that is Kansas Football. It’s just a guy with both middle fingers extended, but for some reason, it sticks out to me everytime. I wonder what he’s saying…

by Bauer Power on Dec 18, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

I've never noticed that before

I’ll have remember that the next time that game comes up. But yes, it is easy to score at any level in that game.

Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.

by mystman995 on Dec 18, 2008 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Ute Perspective #2,857

Helo good Wildcat fans!

Best of wishes to your team in future years.

One thinig we must consider regarding Ludwig as an OC was that he worked within a system that stressed defensive prowess to win games and that means ball control, power running as the featured aspects of an atypical “spread” attack—which we operated out of. Yet we often blew games open offensively as well, so you know. Our head coach, Kyle Whittingham, also never ran up a score in his life so while some guys get gaudy 550 yard games as a result of coaches wanting beauty points for BCS consideration, Whittingham rejected that approach and was more old style and reserved.

So, if your offense seems a tad slow compared to other Big 12 schemes it just means Snyder liked what he saw and wanted that installed. Ludwig is an extremely hard working coach and no dummy.

My only criticism was that he had several plays which took too long to develop so he needs a QB who pushes things.

Good luck, we’re proud of what he did here at Utah and happy for him in his new opportuntiy.

Mean Bob

by Aardvark on Jan 15, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions  

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