Big 12 Men's Basketball Rankings, 12/16/08
I'm taking a short break from studying to catch up on what's happened thus far in the Big 12 men's basketball season. With a few exceptions, most of the teams have played the best of their non-conference schedule and will face cupcakes throughout the winter break in preparation for conference play, which begins on Saturday, January 10th. Here's how I see it, thus far.
1. Oklahoma
Record: 10-0
Best Win: Davidson
Worst Loss: None
Best Loss: None
Blake Griffin is dominating and, even when he isn't, the Sooners are still winning. Jeff Capel is building a beast in Norman. Any chance Coach K retires soon so we can get him out of here?
2. Texas
Record: 8-1
Best Win: UCLA
Worst/Best Loss: Notre Dame
Texas is off to a very good start given that they lost D.J. Augustin, one of the best college point guards I've ever seen. A little slip against Notre Dame in Maui and OU's general dominance keeps them out of the top spot. The Horns are playing a killer non-con, having already taken on UCLA, Notre Dame and Villanova, with tilts against Wisconsin and Michigan State pending. Rest assured, this team will be battle tested come conference play.
3. Missouri
Record: 10-1
Best Win: USC
Worst/Best Loss: Xavier
I've been impressed by the Tigers thus far. Even in their loss to Xavier, they played well most of the game, then bounced back to knock off USC. By getting to play the North teams twice this season, they have an excellent chance to stay near the top of the conference standings.
4. Baylor
Record: 8-1
Best Win: Arizona State
Worst/Best Loss: Wake Forest
After the top two, it gets muddled. I'm giving the Bears the nod because of their experience, athleticism, and having a slightly better loss than Texas A&M. The Bears, like several teams in the Big 12, are a team that could push for the conference title/first-round bye...or finish 8-8. Looking forward to seeing more of this team in the near future, as I only caught about a half of their game against Washington State.
5. Texas A&M:
Record: 8-1
Best Win: Arizona
Worst/Best Loss: Tulsa
A slug it out, grind it out team that's not going to light up the scoreboard but will probably win its share of games. If you're an Aggie, you have to be a bit concerned about the defense -- giving up 64 points/game thus far -- but this team is picking up wins. The game against Arizona looked like a lost cause, but the Aggies found a way to come back and win. Probably a team that could push for a first-round bye in OKC or finish 7-9.
6. KU
Record: 7-2
Best Win: Washington
Worst Loss: Massachusetts
Best Loss: Syracuse
Pretty much what I expected to see out of a young team thus far. Had Syracuse down in KC but couldn't finish the deal, then played a wretched game against UMass in the same building three weeks later. This team has a lot of good athletes, but it hasn't all come together for them yet. If it coalesces, this could be a solid team by February. If not, we'll be able to hear the bitching from Manhattan.
7. K-State
Record: 7-3
Best Win: Cleveland State
Worst Loss: Oregon
Best Loss: Kentucky
The Cats narrowly get the edge over Nebraska becacuse I consider the Best Win category a wash, while Nebraska's worst loss is worse than the Cats' and despite having one more loss, the Cats have been very close in every loss. Oh, but for a couple buckets in Vegas and a better start to the second half against Oregon. Still, this team shows a lot of potential when they play together and run an offense. Like the chickens, if they come together in the next few weeks, they could be a pretty good team by February.
8. Nebraska
Record: 6-2
Best Win: Creighton
Worst Loss: Oregon State
Best Loss: Arizona State
After the win against Creighton, the Huskers surely had to think they were setting up a nice non-conference showing. That all unraveled in two games against the Pac-10, as NU got manhandled by Arizona State and then dropped a decision to an Oregon State team that is probably going to be 10th in the 10-team Pac-10. The way they play defense, the Huskers will probably be able to hang around and give some better teams problems, but their lack of inside scoring is going to kill them when conference play starts.
9. Texas Tech
Record: 7-2
Best Win: Mississippi State
Worst Loss: Lamar
Best Loss: Pitt
The Red Raiders get the nod over Oklahoma State because they have a better win and because Oklahoma State has lost Ibrahima Thomas to discliplinary problems. Probably going to be a struggle this winter for Pat Knight's boys, as the loss to Lamar shows, but with that little bastard Alan Voskuil (yes, I'm still bitter) shooting threes, they might have a puncher's chance to pick up an upset or two.
10. Oklahoma State
Record: 8-3
Best Win: Tulsa
Worst Loss: Washington
Best Loss: Gonzaga
As previoulsy mentioned, this team is in trouble without Ibrahima Thomas in the middle. Also get dinged for having a first-year coach, as first-year coaches rarely have good seasons in conference play. Another team that I want to see on TV a little bit, so I can get a better idea of how they stack up.
11. Iowa State
Record: 6-3
Best Win: Northern Iowa
Worst Loss: Drake
Best Loss: Iowa
Gregg McDermott is in yet another "rebuilding" year. At some point he's going to have to produce, or the natives up in Ames are going to get restless. The Cyclone fans are without a doubt the most fanatic fans who don't really have anything to be fanatic about, and dealing with bad basketball winter after frigid winter on the Iowa corn plains isn't going to go over well.
12. Colorado
Record: 4-3
Best Win: Colorado State
Worst Loss: Montana State
Best Loss: Stanford
Who knows what it is, but Montana State just seems to have the Buffs number, no matter the game. Jeff Bzdelik is probably a pretty good coach, but after losing Richard Roby he's going to have a tough road this season. Battling the basketball apathy that is Boulder doesn't help, either.
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lets hope that
KU never pulls it together.
by jonwren on Dec 17, 2008 9:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cheers!
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 17, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice piece...
I pretty much exactly agree with your rankings, except that I’d say Baylor has done more than Missouri. The only other argument I could make would be Texas over OU simply because it has two really good wins, but that undefeated thing OU has going on makes it a tough argument.
by hiphopopotamus on Dec 17, 2008 9:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point
Texas does have two good wins on the year, so by a resume ranking, which was my goal here, they may deserve the top spot. Still, OU looks awfully solid. Should be a great race between those two teams in the South.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 17, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since there's no head-to-head yet.....
use the RPI to determine the tiebreaker!
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 17, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice analysis TB..
At this point, I would have probably ranked KU ahead of A&M because of the talent level. However, until I see KU scrub it out against the toughness of the Big 12, I’m a little skeptical of how well they’ll hold up this season. So what the hell, they’re fine where their at.
by Catfan33 on Dec 17, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Aggies...
…were the most difficult team to rank. Beating Arizona was good, and they’re winning…but they just don’t look very impressive. Maybe I’m putting too much emphasis on style points right now, I don’t know. And I almost did push KU ahead of them, but the loss to UMass this weekend convinced me not to do so.
For once I kind of agree with Jason Whitlock. KU’s season will turn on whether Sherron Collins gets his act together. He’s trying to do way too much right now. If he keeps chucking up bad shots and driving wildly to the basket, it’s going to be a bad season. If he settles down and plays within the offense, they’ll improve a lot.
Gee, sounds a lot like what we’ve been talking about regarding a team in Manhattan.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 17, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I noticed that
Pretty much what I expected to see out of a young team thus far. Had Syracuse down in KC but couldn’t finish the deal, then played a wretched game against UMass in the same building three weeks later. This team has a lot of good athletes, but it hasn’t all come together for them yet. If it coalesces, this could be a solid team by February. If not, we’ll be able to hear the bitching from Manhattan.
Replace Syracuse with Oregon. Replace UMass with Iowa/Kentucky. Replace Manhattan with Lawerence.
Wait – NEVER REPLACE MANHATTAN WITH LAWRENCE.
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 17, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard several people on the radio...
here in KC discuss how the Big 12 is down this year. I would probably have to agree, especially considering Tech and Okie Lite will be NIT contenders. I don’t think it’s implausible to have the 4th place team in the conference finish 9-7, just because from 3 on down, it’s pretty wide open. OU and Texas are essential locks for an NCAA tournament bid, but it’s hard to tell with the rest, at least for right now. What’s scary is seeing Misery off to a hot start. They have some pretty good athletes that are buying into Anderson’s system. Let’s hope they begin to implode soon after the new year.
by EMAW on Dec 17, 2008 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Definitely a down year
I have a feeling conference play is going to be a melee for the spots after OU and UT. Realistically, I think every team from 3 through 9 has a shot at finishing in the top half of the conference, maybe the top four if they get hot. That’s why I harbor some residual hope for K-State. We have some good young players. If they come together, we could make a run. If not, we’re looking at 6-10.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 17, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the perception of the conference is down...
that may not be good for us.
If the Big 12 is perceived as weak this year, we’re looking at maybe getting five teams into the tournament. OU, UT, and…?
I think we’re going to need some big wins in conference if we want to hope for the tournament. Gotta beat OU at home, and we need to beat KU at home. A strong showing at the Big 12 tournament wouldn’t hurt either.
Hopefully the team continues to jell and become a more cohesive unit. Four games and a little over three weeks before KSU kicks off Big 12 play against OU. That game will likely set the tone for the rest of the year.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car." - Jack Handey
by Panjandrum on Dec 17, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still gonna go...
out on a limb here and predict a sweep of KU for the Cats.
by Catfan33 on Dec 17, 2008 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bold
Best reason it could happen: the first game, in January, is in Lawrence. Better chance the young beaks will still be struggling to find themselves and we’ll get them, kind of like 2005. Then, later in the season when there’s a better chance they’ve come together, we get them in Manhattan.
Still. Bold.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 17, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
that’s my bold prediction for the year. Mark it down.
by Catfan33 on Dec 18, 2008 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Marked. May it come to pass.
We'll carry the banner high!
Bring On The Cats
by TB on Dec 18, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs












