The Return of the King
Considering that I’m the last contributor on this site that’s chimed in about this topic, and this hire is now a week old, I feel that I need to take a different approach than EMAW (who wrote about this before the hire) and TB (who chimed in almost immediately after). Both of them did a great job of capturing the arguments and emotion of these two distinct time frames in the coaching search life cycle, but I will go ahead and dump my thoughts into more of a retrospective look at the rehiring of legendary head coach Bill Snyder.
Now, in the past week, there have been a number of excellent journalists, bloggers, and message board posters who have chimed in on this. The reactions have been varied, as Curtis Kitchen pointed out in his guest contribution last Friday, but for the most part, I believe that most fans have gotten behind the hire even if they were initially apprehensive, a little shocked, or in some cases, pretty damn angry.
Admittedly, I fell into the latter of those three camps. Those of you who post on GoPowercat.com probably witnessed my reaction first-hand, and needless to say, I was not happy about it.
Now, first of all, I don't want to give the impression that I dislike Bill Snyder. That's not even remotely true. Personally, he's one of my idols, and I honestly consider him to be an inspiration. I believe that his thoughts on leadership (on and off of the football field) are amazingly insightful and applicable to almost any situation. I find him to be a truly remarkable man, and I believe that every K-State fan, student, and alumni owe him an immeasurable debt of gratitude for what he's given to our university. Also, I believe he is one of the greatest football minds of this (or any) generation, and the results speak for themselves.
The issue that I've had with this hire (and still do) is that there's an existing stigma that only one coach can win at Kansas State, and to me, this move simply reinforces that. While some stigmas are nothing more than hyperbole or a misrepresentation of the facts, this is actually very true if you look at the history of K-State football. Prior to Bill Snyder, you have to go back to 1934 (Lynn Waldorf) to find another football coach at Kansas State with an overall winning record. Eighty-four percent of all bowl games have occured during Bill Snyder's tenure, and either he or someone that played for him holds nearly every record in the KSU record books. If Josh Freeman comes back, that percentage will be even higher.
To be completely blunt, Kansas State football begins and ends with Bill Snyder. Period. The perception actually is the reality.
Now, this is probably an insult to the players and coaches who participated in the program during the other ninety-four seasons that Kansas State has fielded a football team, but facts are facts; Bill Snyder wrote the record book, filled the trophy case, and the stadium rightfully has his name on it. He is the king, and this football program (and K-State in general) is his kingdom. His mere presence in the stadium every Satruday casts a shadow so large that it seems to eclipse the game itself.
If you don't believe that, ask yourself this question; when things started going south this year, did you look over towards his suite and think, "I wonder what Bill's thinking right now?"
I know that I asked myself that multiple times, and I'm betting that I'm not the only one.
When Ron Prince's program began spiraling out of control, and he was hasily removed three-quarters of the way through the season, it appeared that K-State had an opportunity to re-establish the program with a respected and/or up-and-coming coach. Every year, a plethora of coaches look to make a move to a BCS conference university. It could be an established mid-major coach (Gary Patterson), or a coordinator looking to make their own mark (Brent Venables). Regardless of the "who", or the "where", there are a lot of coaches out there that would be interested in the Kansas State coaching vacancy, and many of the qualified candidates are actually alumni of the university, and they may have an interest in 'coming home' to build upon what Bill Snyder built.
When knowing all of these things (Snyder's stigma, qualified alumni interested in the job, etc.), this rehire becomes very frustrating. By hiring Bill Snyder, it feels like University President Jon Wefald and AD Bob Krause have bought into this stigma. Now, that's not to say that Bill Snyder won't win games; I think he'll win more than he loses in his second tour of duty. I've always felt that way. But, the fact of the matter is that at the first sign of trouble, Jon Wefald and Bob Krause ran to Bill Snyder to fix the mess that the program had become. They used up their "Get out of jail free" card in an attempt to solidify their legacies at Kansas State because the "Ron Prince Experiment" was rapidly becoming an unmitigated failure, and Wefald and Krause were in danger of being remembered as the guys that did nothing while the football program Snyder built imploded. That would be unfair as their achievements in the academic arena have been every bit as amazing as Bill Snyder's on the gridiron, and I have a great deal of respect for Jon Wefald and Bob Krause due to their efforts in making Kansas State a top-flight academic institution.
So, this is where I seem to lose a lot of message board posters and other fans I've spoken with. Why, if I have so much admiration for all of the men involved, do I have a problem with this hire? Why do I not wholeheartedly support it? These men have done amazing things at Kansas State; why can't they do it again?
The answer, to me, is simple. However, it takes a little background to explain...
Kansas State is very unique in the sense that we've had ninety-four years of God-awful football, and about seventeen years of excellent football. When you go to a game at Bill Snyder Family Stadium, you will see two distinctly different types of fans. There are fans who have attended KSU football games through some of the darkest days the program has ever seen. They sat in the stands during winless seasons, witnessed countless beatings at the hands of Oklahoma and Nebraska, and they watched the hated Kansas Jayhawks continually beat KSU...even when they weren't any good either. These fans know and understand how amazing Bill Snyder is because they have seen it all, and he's responsible for almost 100% of the positive memories they have of Kansas State football.
However, there are fans, generally younger, like myself, EMAW, and TB that were not there during those negative times. Personally, I attended Kansas State from 2000-2004, so my last season as a student was the 2003 Big 12 Championship year. My last game at Bill Snyder Family Stadium was a nationally televised game against the Missouri Tigers, and the win sealed the North Division title for the 'Cats. During my four years, KSU won thirty-nine games, two division titles, and a conference championship. They played in the Fiesta Bowl. The team was full of NFL Draft-picks and All-Americans. Kansas State football was not a feel-good story of redemption; it was a juggernaut that turned in eleven win seasons and bowl appearances like the Beatles churned out number one hits.
So, you have this strange dichotomy that most other fan bases don't have. For example, Nebraska fans, by and large, only know great football because that's what was there for forty years. Any deviation from that is unacceptable because it goes against the natural order (as they see it). For Kansas and Missouri fans, what happened last year (and this year for MU as well) is simply a great ride given their past history. While some of their fans seem to suddenly have a sense of superiority about the program, for the most part, their fans are just enjoying the experience because it's basically an aberration given their respective histories.
Kansas State fans, however, seem to straddle that line. Half of the fan base believes that the football program begins and ends with Snyder, and the other half tends to look at the football program as its own entity, and it doesn't matter who the coach is; all that matters is that Kansas State wins games like it did when Bill Snyder was there.
So, due to this divide, there is a sense of tumultuousness surrounding this hire (amongst the fans and within myself). Some fans wanted a coaching search (and there wasn't one), and others would rather see Bill Snyder coach until the day he dies because they truly believe that he's the only man that can win at Kansas State, or they feel that it's his right to coach, win or lose, because of what he did between 1993-2003.
My stance falls somewhere in the middle. I truly wanted a coaching search. I believe that any competently run athletic department will employ one before running back to the stadium's namesake to bail them out of a jam. I really believed that Gary Patterson was the right guy for the job, and if he (or someone else) would have had success at Kansas State, the stigma would have been shattered because a man not named Bill Snyder proved he could win in Manhattan. I believe that eliminating the stigma is critical for the long-term future of the program because there will come a day when Bill Snyder simply cannot coach this team, and if we're afraid to trust anyone but him, or someone he coached with, to be the head coach, we're greatly limiting the pool of good coaches we can draw from. That frightens and frustrates me immensely.
On the flip side, in the short-term, I have no doubt that Bill Snyder, the king, has returned to make everything right in the world. First of all, he brings instant credibility back to the program. He can go out and recruit coaches and players with the 'legendary' tag associated to his name. Secondly, as a guy that frequents multiple message boards, and does his best to keep his ear to the ground and note what's going on, I will fully admit that I'm excited for what may come in the following weeks, months, and however many years Bill Snyder will be our head coach. Some of the rumors that I've heard in terms of staff, vision for the program, and overall strategy are very exciting, and one cannot walk away without thinking, "Damn, the old man just might do it again." Of course, rumors are just that, but as we all know, where there's smoke, there's always a chance of fire, and if what we're hearing even remotely comes to fruition, we will all be in for one wild ride.
So, after spilling my guts, ranting and raving like a fool, and generally over thinking something that I have no control over, all I can say is that in the near future, it's comforting to see Bill Snyder back at the helm. Listening to him speak at his press conference just seemed so natural, and it felt like all was right with the world. It was 2002 all over again, and I could expect KSU to compete for the Big 12 title and a shot in a BCS bowl next year. But there was something different this time; the knowledge that he's rebuilding while operating under the weight of his own legacy and the expectations his success created, while knowing, in the back of his mind, what may happen if he fails. As Curtis Kitchen said, much more eloquently than I ever could, it's essential that we all stand behind Snyder at this point and ensure that this second tenure is a success. If he's able to make miracles happen again, there will be a much stronger foundation in place when we ultimately have to deal with the long-term future of the program...
However, if he can't rebuild this program, or he can't live up to the expectations his past successes set for it, I fear for the next ninety-four years of football at Kansas State. I fear for the future because there isn't another legendary coach or winning tradition that we can conjour up to fix the mess. The precedent has been set, and the stigma has been embraced. We're "all-in". Failure is not an option because the results could be disasterous.
Welcome back, Coach. All of us here at BOTC are hoping like Hell you can do it all over again. For your sake and ours.
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The List
If Bill Snyder comes up to you in the weeks following his retirement and says he thinks he made a mistake and wants to be considered for the coaching position which he just vacated you tell him (and they did tell him), “sorry, but that’s not acceptable”. However, because you would never have asked him to step down in the first place and you probably would have let him continue coaching JoePa style until the day he is no longer physically able, you put his name at the top of “The List” and don’t remove it until he is no longer able to coach, right?
It’s his “kingdom”. He told you he wanted it back three years ago. The castle is vacant. What is the problem?
by Mrfphy on Dec 1, 2008 9:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Here's the problem
This is a temporary solution to a problem that needs a long-term commitment. How long is Bill Synder going to be the head coach of the Kansas State Wildcats? Who knows. If he gives us five great years, great – but what happens after that?
Will he have groomed an assistant to take over the program? Is he going to have the same success molding them as he did 15 years ago?
Will this assistant be able to attract the same recruits? What happens in two years when Synder goes out and recruits great talent only to have them ask the question – Are you going to be here through my senior year?
Nobody’s questioning Synder’s coaching abilities – or the fact that he’s going to be a huge upgrade over Ron Prince. Next year the Wildcat’s will field a team that is better and better coached than the last 4 years have.
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 1, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is short term?
If you believe that Snyder retired because of his family and not because of his age, and his family is okay with him coaching now, then how long do you think he could or might want to coach? Only five years? 10? 11 would make him 80.
What is the average time spent by a “successful” D1 coach at a university like KSU before they move on to a bigger, better university or to the NFL? Rich Rodriguez left WV after 6 years of Snyder-esque success for Michigan. What is short term?
by Mrfphy on Dec 1, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You bring up a good point
I don’t believe you will see many more of the Joe-Pa’s coaching at the same school for eons and eons much longer. Today’s fans, myself included, aren’t patient enough to sit around through the down and rebuilding years with the same coach. I was extrememly frustrated with how the past two years of Synder’s legacy ended. I believed that was the time he should have stepped down. I was happy with that and I thought it was the right time.
The thing about coming out of retirement is not knowing how long you’re going to want/be able to coach again. So bascially I assumed that this hiring of Bill is short term. But nobody really knows what short term is. He said he made a mistake stepping down three weeks after he orginally resigned. I can’t stand that – especially with today’s athletes (Brett Favre, Roger Clemens, and the all-mighty Michael Jordan). It causes a huge state of flux and leaves many unknowing of the future. Bill may say he made a mistake by coming back this season and want to re-retire after next season. The question is, when do we pull an Aaron Rodgers? Well…when we find one. And Gary Patterson is sticking with TCU.
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 1, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have asked him to step down in 2005...
Had he not gotten rid of his staff.
The problem that Bill Snyder had was the same one that Joe Paterno had. They had crap assistants, and they were unwilling to fire them. Paterno actually did, and he ended up reviving his program. Snyder retired, and then he came back three years later to (hopefully) assemble a staff not full of deadbeats.
Once Bill Snyder stepped down, we had to start thinking of a future without him in it. The crux of my argument isn’t the next 5-10 years; it’s the next 20-25. What happens if he comes back, wins, and leaves the program to a successor that tanks? Will the fans say, “Oh, God, we can’t win without Bill; even the guy he hand picked failed!” Or if he fails this time, will the fans say, “Oh, God, even Bill can’t win here now!”
Our fan base is so reliant on Bill Snyder, the man and the icon, that they can’t seem to separate him from K-State football. I mentioned that in the post. I fear for the long-term future of the program because we’ve established the precedent that he’s the only one we trust to fix the mess. If we have one in the future, will that spell certain doom because he won’t be around to right the ship?
I’ve sait the same thing umpteen times; KSU had a golden opportunity to move away from the stigma and build on what Snyder did before by hiring a new coach that ‘could’ be successful. This would have been good for the long term future of the program. However, whenever Snyder steps down again, we’re going to have another ‘bridge’ coach that isn’t Bill. There will be another coach that won’t live up to his legend. We’ll have to start over from scratch all over again because we didn’t take the chance this time to go in a different direction.
Again, I really do idolize Bill Snyder, and I think he’ll do well again. I’m just thinking that this is a much riskier venture than some people think it is.
"He that never changes his opinions, never corrects his mistakes, will never be wiser on the morrow than he is today." -- Tryon Edwards
by Panjandrum on Dec 1, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes but,
after some thought, I wonder how feasible it would have been to attract Patterson or a similar coach with such uncertainty in the leadership at KSU, i.e., AD, UP. A head coach may have been hesitant to come here without knowing who would be running the show. I’m in complete agreement with you…I think that KSU should have steered more towared the long-term being of the program, but that is a moot point now. So I’m left to wonder if maybe, just maybe, hiring Snyder during this leadership transition will turn out to be the best scenario for the program by providing at least some stability. I think, even if a bit naively, that Snyder will only remain long enough to reestablish the foundation and lay a solid succession plan for the long term.
by Catfan33 on Dec 1, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no reason to dwell anymore on what if scenarios...
such as why Krause did not conduct a coaching search or go after Patterson, etc. Snyder’s rehiring is a fait accompli. The question is, where do we go from here? I have no doubt that Snyder will lend instant credibility and stability to the program and improve the team substantially compared to the Prince years. I also have no doubt in the old man’s ability to evaluate coaching talent. My hope is that he lands a young, energetic coaching staff vis-a-vis the early 1990’s. Any thoughts from the BOC staff on a quality coaching staff that may be available? Any Bob Stoops out there who could take over this program and continue after Snyder is gone?
by Catfan33 on Dec 1, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Even though people, including myself, has/had their doubts – it is time to move on and get excited. It’s going to be a interesting next few weeks/months to see what all unfolds. And remember……
LESS THAN 9 MONTHS UNTIL FOOTBALL STARTS AGAIN!!!
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 1, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To address all points...
1) I agree that there’s no reason to dwell. However, I’ve had some serious thoughts about this going back to before the hire, and a lot of people have read them in bits and pieces, but no one has really seen the entrity of my points. I just wanted to get them out there so folks know where I’m coming from in the coming weeks, months, etc.
2) I’ve just heard the same rumors that everyone else has been hearing about potential staff. You hear about the Dana Dimel’s, Vic Koennings, Phil Bennett’s, Del Miller’s, etc. Some are probably true, some probably aren’t. I think there will be a mix of names we’ve heard of, and there will be a lot of names we haven’t. I’d imagine that if we start hearing some familiar names (like Del Miller), the coaching staff recruitiment isn’t going well. However, I’d have to imagine that a lot of young coaches would jump at a chance to work with Snyder, especially now that assistant pay is higher than it was in ‘04/’05.
3) I doubt there is any great succession plan out there. Of all of the rumored names, there isn’t one that really makes me say, “Wow. I want him to be our next head coach.” My guess is that Snyder will probably be here at least 5-10 years, and he’ll start making plans when he really feels like it’s time to step down.
"He that never changes his opinions, never corrects his mistakes, will never be wiser on the morrow than he is today." -- Tryon Edwards
by Panjandrum on Dec 1, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder's hiring...
will provide some much needed stability while the AD and UP positions are in doubt. So in my opinion, Krause may have actually and unintentially done some good (maybe even the right thing at this time?) even though he is quite clueless.
by Catfan33 on Dec 1, 2008 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference between being shrewd and being desperate
In this case, at first I thought we were desperate. I wanted a Gary Patterson or a Lane Kiffin, or some other proven coach who was younger and who could “make us good quickly”. I thought the Snyder hire made us look desperate or at best naive.
But after I thought about it…
I think it may be a smarter move than I at first thought. There is no doubt that Bill Snyder is one of the most brilliant strategic minds in college football. Bill is not stupid and he can’t honestly believe that he’ll be coaching for another 10-15 years. So my guess is, he sees his role as a coach who can return the program to the fundamentals of successful football and train up young leaders like he did before, with an emphasis on a hand-picked successor. One of (in my opinion) our biggest weaknesses with Ron Prince was that we didn’t have a culture of solid fundamentals and learning. Ron wasn’t dumb, but he didn’t know how to teach and lead others. The track record of training and development that we saw with Bill Snyder is legendary and I’m betting that we see this next season as a season of learning. And that may be the shrewdest move Jon Wefald ever made.
by jonwren on Dec 1, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Snyder should offer his assistant positions to...
the rest of the Legends Football Coaches Association:
Link here
Then fill the roster with non-blue chips…I wonder how well the kids would get coached up. I think it would be worth the price of admission just to see that. (Of course, putting so many chiefs in one teepee may not be the best of ideas.)
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by MadCat on Dec 1, 2008 4:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now that's just crazy talk
At least get one blue-chip quarterback……
Man do I hate Longhorn fans, well except for the ones that actually went there.
by mystman995 on Dec 1, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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